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As I warned on Saturday:

Gas Prices Climb Quickly as Refineries Remain Closed

At least 14 Texas refineries, representing nearly a quarter of the nation’s refining capacity, will probably remain shut for the next week or more. Three more Louisiana refineries may be damaged from widespread flooding.

“It may not be possible for us — and other manufacturers — to maintain normal supplies in the coming days,” Chevron stated in a bleak assessment on its Web site on Sunday, warning of “severe supply disruptions in the wake of Hurricane Ike.”

Hopefully you heeded the warning and got yourself some gasoline on Saturday. If you didn’t – especially if you live in the South – you are probably going to pay a lot more for it now.

The situation looks to be tight for at least another 2-3 weeks:

Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican of Texas, said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday, “We are looking at another week or eight or nine days before refineries are up and going, so refined gasoline is going to be in a shortage situation because of the power outages and flooding.”

“It is going to be felt for the next week that we have gasoline shortages,” Ms. Hutchison said, “so people need to be prepared for that.”

Plan on at least 3 weeks of this. Limit your gasoline consumption whenever possible and hope that another hurricane doesn’t enter the gulf before hurricane season ends.

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September 15, 2008 - Posted by | gas inventories, gas prices, hurricanes

298 Comments

  1. Except that NYMEX gasoline for October delivery closed down $0.2082 at $2.5614 following crude down $5.70 per barrel to $95.71.

    Higher retail gasoline prices may reflect the added costs of getting supplies into the area and responding to short term shortages. It also depends on what is happening in Europe and if additional imports are available.

    The refineries are in the process of starting up again. It shouldn’t be more than about 2 weeks to see lower prices.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 15, 2008

  2. Except that NYMEX gasoline for October delivery closed down $0.2082 at $2.5614 following crude down $5.70 per barrel to $95.71.

    Higher retail gasoline prices may reflect the added costs of getting supplies into the area and responding to short term shortages. It also depends on what is happening in Europe and if additional imports are available.

    The refineries are in the process of starting up again. It shouldn’t be more than about 2 weeks to see lower prices.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 15, 2008

  3. Except that NYMEX gasoline for October delivery closed down $0.2082 at $2.5614 following crude down $5.70 per barrel to $95.71.

    Higher retail gasoline prices may reflect the added costs of getting supplies into the area and responding to short term shortages. It also depends on what is happening in Europe and if additional imports are available.

    The refineries are in the process of starting up again. It shouldn’t be more than about 2 weeks to see lower prices.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 15, 2008

  4. Except that NYMEX gasoline for October delivery closed down $0.2082 at $2.5614 following crude down $5.70 per barrel to $95.71.

    Higher retail gasoline prices may reflect the added costs of getting supplies into the area and responding to short term shortages. It also depends on what is happening in Europe and if additional imports are available.

    The refineries are in the process of starting up again. It shouldn’t be more than about 2 weeks to see lower prices.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 15, 2008

  5. Except that NYMEX gasoline for October delivery closed down $0.2082 at $2.5614 following crude down $5.70 per barrel to $95.71.

    Higher retail gasoline prices may reflect the added costs of getting supplies into the area and responding to short term shortages. It also depends on what is happening in Europe and if additional imports are available.

    The refineries are in the process of starting up again. It shouldn’t be more than about 2 weeks to see lower prices.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 15, 2008

  6. Except that NYMEX gasoline for October delivery closed down $0.2082 at $2.5614 following crude down $5.70 per barrel to $95.71.

    Higher retail gasoline prices may reflect the added costs of getting supplies into the area and responding to short term shortages. It also depends on what is happening in Europe and if additional imports are available.

    The refineries are in the process of starting up again. It shouldn’t be more than about 2 weeks to see lower prices.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 15, 2008

  7. Except that NYMEX gasoline for October delivery closed down $0.2082 at $2.5614 following crude down $5.70 per barrel to $95.71. Higher retail gasoline prices may reflect the added costs of getting supplies into the area and responding to short term shortages. It also depends on what is happening in Europe and if additional imports are available.The refineries are in the process of starting up again. It shouldn’t be more than about 2 weeks to see lower prices.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 15, 2008

  8. Oil dumping hard.
    King-
    The lower prices, in a crazy sort of way, may bring more supplies to market.
    Call it a backward bending supply curve. If you were paid $2,000 an hour, would you work more, or less, hours a year?
    In economic theory, you would work more….but in real life, you might decide to kick off after 1000 hours a year, or about one-half you do now. That’s called a backward bending supply curve. Thats why famous movie stars work half the year (and cry about that).
    Mexico, Venezuela, many other thug states are fat and happy with oil income — why expand production, at $147 a barrel?
    That may soon end. Mexico may actually have to do something about Canterelli production. Russia may let some deals go through, instead of bickering. KSA may pump even more. (They are targeting 12.5 mbd). Kuwait also, Libya too. Brazil for sure.
    US production is a small fraction, maybe 7 percent, of world production, and we are high-cost producer. Our wells may shut it at $30 a barrel here (though I doubt it), but other countries may have to ramp up. Russia for sure. No way they can become a world player at $30 a barrel, unless they start pumping bigtime.
    Anyway, oil is down enough now I think we see a speculative snowball meltdown.
    Remember, the speculative price is thre world market price. More than 80 percent of contracts traded are by speculators, and oil demand is (short-term) inelastic. Therefore, wherever speculators set the price, between $10 and $147, is the price on that day. They can sustain prices at the extremes, but anywhere in the middle can holds for months or years.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 15, 2008

  9. Oil dumping hard.
    King-
    The lower prices, in a crazy sort of way, may bring more supplies to market.
    Call it a backward bending supply curve. If you were paid $2,000 an hour, would you work more, or less, hours a year?
    In economic theory, you would work more….but in real life, you might decide to kick off after 1000 hours a year, or about one-half you do now. That’s called a backward bending supply curve. Thats why famous movie stars work half the year (and cry about that).
    Mexico, Venezuela, many other thug states are fat and happy with oil income — why expand production, at $147 a barrel?
    That may soon end. Mexico may actually have to do something about Canterelli production. Russia may let some deals go through, instead of bickering. KSA may pump even more. (They are targeting 12.5 mbd). Kuwait also, Libya too. Brazil for sure.
    US production is a small fraction, maybe 7 percent, of world production, and we are high-cost producer. Our wells may shut it at $30 a barrel here (though I doubt it), but other countries may have to ramp up. Russia for sure. No way they can become a world player at $30 a barrel, unless they start pumping bigtime.
    Anyway, oil is down enough now I think we see a speculative snowball meltdown.
    Remember, the speculative price is thre world market price. More than 80 percent of contracts traded are by speculators, and oil demand is (short-term) inelastic. Therefore, wherever speculators set the price, between $10 and $147, is the price on that day. They can sustain prices at the extremes, but anywhere in the middle can holds for months or years.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 15, 2008

  10. Oil dumping hard.
    King-
    The lower prices, in a crazy sort of way, may bring more supplies to market.
    Call it a backward bending supply curve. If you were paid $2,000 an hour, would you work more, or less, hours a year?
    In economic theory, you would work more….but in real life, you might decide to kick off after 1000 hours a year, or about one-half you do now. That’s called a backward bending supply curve. Thats why famous movie stars work half the year (and cry about that).
    Mexico, Venezuela, many other thug states are fat and happy with oil income — why expand production, at $147 a barrel?
    That may soon end. Mexico may actually have to do something about Canterelli production. Russia may let some deals go through, instead of bickering. KSA may pump even more. (They are targeting 12.5 mbd). Kuwait also, Libya too. Brazil for sure.
    US production is a small fraction, maybe 7 percent, of world production, and we are high-cost producer. Our wells may shut it at $30 a barrel here (though I doubt it), but other countries may have to ramp up. Russia for sure. No way they can become a world player at $30 a barrel, unless they start pumping bigtime.
    Anyway, oil is down enough now I think we see a speculative snowball meltdown.
    Remember, the speculative price is thre world market price. More than 80 percent of contracts traded are by speculators, and oil demand is (short-term) inelastic. Therefore, wherever speculators set the price, between $10 and $147, is the price on that day. They can sustain prices at the extremes, but anywhere in the middle can holds for months or years.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 15, 2008

  11. Oil dumping hard.
    King-
    The lower prices, in a crazy sort of way, may bring more supplies to market.
    Call it a backward bending supply curve. If you were paid $2,000 an hour, would you work more, or less, hours a year?
    In economic theory, you would work more….but in real life, you might decide to kick off after 1000 hours a year, or about one-half you do now. That’s called a backward bending supply curve. Thats why famous movie stars work half the year (and cry about that).
    Mexico, Venezuela, many other thug states are fat and happy with oil income — why expand production, at $147 a barrel?
    That may soon end. Mexico may actually have to do something about Canterelli production. Russia may let some deals go through, instead of bickering. KSA may pump even more. (They are targeting 12.5 mbd). Kuwait also, Libya too. Brazil for sure.
    US production is a small fraction, maybe 7 percent, of world production, and we are high-cost producer. Our wells may shut it at $30 a barrel here (though I doubt it), but other countries may have to ramp up. Russia for sure. No way they can become a world player at $30 a barrel, unless they start pumping bigtime.
    Anyway, oil is down enough now I think we see a speculative snowball meltdown.
    Remember, the speculative price is thre world market price. More than 80 percent of contracts traded are by speculators, and oil demand is (short-term) inelastic. Therefore, wherever speculators set the price, between $10 and $147, is the price on that day. They can sustain prices at the extremes, but anywhere in the middle can holds for months or years.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 15, 2008

  12. Oil dumping hard.
    King-
    The lower prices, in a crazy sort of way, may bring more supplies to market.
    Call it a backward bending supply curve. If you were paid $2,000 an hour, would you work more, or less, hours a year?
    In economic theory, you would work more….but in real life, you might decide to kick off after 1000 hours a year, or about one-half you do now. That’s called a backward bending supply curve. Thats why famous movie stars work half the year (and cry about that).
    Mexico, Venezuela, many other thug states are fat and happy with oil income — why expand production, at $147 a barrel?
    That may soon end. Mexico may actually have to do something about Canterelli production. Russia may let some deals go through, instead of bickering. KSA may pump even more. (They are targeting 12.5 mbd). Kuwait also, Libya too. Brazil for sure.
    US production is a small fraction, maybe 7 percent, of world production, and we are high-cost producer. Our wells may shut it at $30 a barrel here (though I doubt it), but other countries may have to ramp up. Russia for sure. No way they can become a world player at $30 a barrel, unless they start pumping bigtime.
    Anyway, oil is down enough now I think we see a speculative snowball meltdown.
    Remember, the speculative price is thre world market price. More than 80 percent of contracts traded are by speculators, and oil demand is (short-term) inelastic. Therefore, wherever speculators set the price, between $10 and $147, is the price on that day. They can sustain prices at the extremes, but anywhere in the middle can holds for months or years.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 15, 2008

  13. Oil dumping hard.
    King-
    The lower prices, in a crazy sort of way, may bring more supplies to market.
    Call it a backward bending supply curve. If you were paid $2,000 an hour, would you work more, or less, hours a year?
    In economic theory, you would work more….but in real life, you might decide to kick off after 1000 hours a year, or about one-half you do now. That’s called a backward bending supply curve. Thats why famous movie stars work half the year (and cry about that).
    Mexico, Venezuela, many other thug states are fat and happy with oil income — why expand production, at $147 a barrel?
    That may soon end. Mexico may actually have to do something about Canterelli production. Russia may let some deals go through, instead of bickering. KSA may pump even more. (They are targeting 12.5 mbd). Kuwait also, Libya too. Brazil for sure.
    US production is a small fraction, maybe 7 percent, of world production, and we are high-cost producer. Our wells may shut it at $30 a barrel here (though I doubt it), but other countries may have to ramp up. Russia for sure. No way they can become a world player at $30 a barrel, unless they start pumping bigtime.
    Anyway, oil is down enough now I think we see a speculative snowball meltdown.
    Remember, the speculative price is thre world market price. More than 80 percent of contracts traded are by speculators, and oil demand is (short-term) inelastic. Therefore, wherever speculators set the price, between $10 and $147, is the price on that day. They can sustain prices at the extremes, but anywhere in the middle can holds for months or years.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 15, 2008

  14. Oil dumping hard.King-The lower prices, in a crazy sort of way, may bring more supplies to market.Call it a backward bending supply curve. If you were paid $2,000 an hour, would you work more, or less, hours a year?In economic theory, you would work more….but in real life, you might decide to kick off after 1000 hours a year, or about one-half you do now. That’s called a backward bending supply curve. Thats why famous movie stars work half the year (and cry about that).Mexico, Venezuela, many other thug states are fat and happy with oil income — why expand production, at $147 a barrel?That may soon end. Mexico may actually have to do something about Canterelli production. Russia may let some deals go through, instead of bickering. KSA may pump even more. (They are targeting 12.5 mbd). Kuwait also, Libya too. Brazil for sure.US production is a small fraction, maybe 7 percent, of world production, and we are high-cost producer. Our wells may shut it at $30 a barrel here (though I doubt it), but other countries may have to ramp up. Russia for sure. No way they can become a world player at $30 a barrel, unless they start pumping bigtime.Anyway, oil is down enough now I think we see a speculative snowball meltdown. Remember, the speculative price is thre world market price. More than 80 percent of contracts traded are by speculators, and oil demand is (short-term) inelastic. Therefore, wherever speculators set the price, between $10 and $147, is the price on that day. They can sustain prices at the extremes, but anywhere in the middle can holds for months or years.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 15, 2008

  15. Oil is now trading $94/$95. How low will it go?

    Oil sands, natural gas, coal companies got slaughtered. Solar companies got killed today. ESLR down 28%. JASO down 20%. VC funding for clean tech companies has started to tightened up.

    Long term forecasts for electricity prices seem to be dropping, causing solar companies and the energy demand response companies (ENOC, COMV) to plummet.

    Comment by Anand | September 15, 2008

  16. Oil is now trading $94/$95. How low will it go?

    Oil sands, natural gas, coal companies got slaughtered. Solar companies got killed today. ESLR down 28%. JASO down 20%. VC funding for clean tech companies has started to tightened up.

    Long term forecasts for electricity prices seem to be dropping, causing solar companies and the energy demand response companies (ENOC, COMV) to plummet.

    Comment by Anand | September 15, 2008

  17. Oil is now trading $94/$95. How low will it go?

    Oil sands, natural gas, coal companies got slaughtered. Solar companies got killed today. ESLR down 28%. JASO down 20%. VC funding for clean tech companies has started to tightened up.

    Long term forecasts for electricity prices seem to be dropping, causing solar companies and the energy demand response companies (ENOC, COMV) to plummet.

    Comment by Anand | September 15, 2008

  18. Oil is now trading $94/$95. How low will it go?

    Oil sands, natural gas, coal companies got slaughtered. Solar companies got killed today. ESLR down 28%. JASO down 20%. VC funding for clean tech companies has started to tightened up.

    Long term forecasts for electricity prices seem to be dropping, causing solar companies and the energy demand response companies (ENOC, COMV) to plummet.

    Comment by Anand | September 15, 2008

  19. Oil is now trading $94/$95. How low will it go?

    Oil sands, natural gas, coal companies got slaughtered. Solar companies got killed today. ESLR down 28%. JASO down 20%. VC funding for clean tech companies has started to tightened up.

    Long term forecasts for electricity prices seem to be dropping, causing solar companies and the energy demand response companies (ENOC, COMV) to plummet.

    Comment by Anand | September 15, 2008

  20. Oil is now trading $94/$95. How low will it go?

    Oil sands, natural gas, coal companies got slaughtered. Solar companies got killed today. ESLR down 28%. JASO down 20%. VC funding for clean tech companies has started to tightened up.

    Long term forecasts for electricity prices seem to be dropping, causing solar companies and the energy demand response companies (ENOC, COMV) to plummet.

    Comment by Anand | September 15, 2008

  21. Oil is now trading $94/$95. How low will it go?Oil sands, natural gas, coal companies got slaughtered. Solar companies got killed today. ESLR down 28%. JASO down 20%. VC funding for clean tech companies has started to tightened up.Long term forecasts for electricity prices seem to be dropping, causing solar companies and the energy demand response companies (ENOC, COMV) to plummet.

    Comment by Anand | September 15, 2008

  22. In anyone cares, my last sentence should have read, “Speculators cannot maintain prices at the extremes ($10 or $147), but anywhere in the middle can be held for months or even years.”

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  23. In anyone cares, my last sentence should have read, “Speculators cannot maintain prices at the extremes ($10 or $147), but anywhere in the middle can be held for months or even years.”

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  24. In anyone cares, my last sentence should have read, “Speculators cannot maintain prices at the extremes ($10 or $147), but anywhere in the middle can be held for months or even years.”

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  25. In anyone cares, my last sentence should have read, “Speculators cannot maintain prices at the extremes ($10 or $147), but anywhere in the middle can be held for months or even years.”

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  26. In anyone cares, my last sentence should have read, “Speculators cannot maintain prices at the extremes ($10 or $147), but anywhere in the middle can be held for months or even years.”

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  27. In anyone cares, my last sentence should have read, “Speculators cannot maintain prices at the extremes ($10 or $147), but anywhere in the middle can be held for months or even years.”

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  28. In anyone cares, my last sentence should have read, “Speculators cannot maintain prices at the extremes ($10 or $147), but anywhere in the middle can be held for months or even years.”

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  29. Excuse me if I seem like I should know this stuff but I want to ask a few questions.

    With oil at 95 dollars a barrel now, where should the price of gas be? Or is this a tough question to answer? When oil was 147, I paid 4.40, but now oil is under 100 and I’m paying 4.40. Now I understand that right now, the high gas prices are due to issues with refining the oil due to Ike. But, even when oil was hovering around 100 the past few weeks, gas was still 3.90-4.00 around here.

    How is this determined is what I’m asking? I hear people saying 200 dollar oil was be disastrous and I don’t buy it. I mean gas was 4.40 at 150, it would probably be only 5 dollars at 200, correct?

    I guess I’m throwing a lot of things out there and seeing if maybe I hit something that you could answer, haha. I apologize but I’m just trying to learn. Thanks!

    Comment by Frankie | September 16, 2008

  30. Excuse me if I seem like I should know this stuff but I want to ask a few questions.

    With oil at 95 dollars a barrel now, where should the price of gas be? Or is this a tough question to answer? When oil was 147, I paid 4.40, but now oil is under 100 and I’m paying 4.40. Now I understand that right now, the high gas prices are due to issues with refining the oil due to Ike. But, even when oil was hovering around 100 the past few weeks, gas was still 3.90-4.00 around here.

    How is this determined is what I’m asking? I hear people saying 200 dollar oil was be disastrous and I don’t buy it. I mean gas was 4.40 at 150, it would probably be only 5 dollars at 200, correct?

    I guess I’m throwing a lot of things out there and seeing if maybe I hit something that you could answer, haha. I apologize but I’m just trying to learn. Thanks!

    Comment by Frankie | September 16, 2008

  31. Excuse me if I seem like I should know this stuff but I want to ask a few questions.

    With oil at 95 dollars a barrel now, where should the price of gas be? Or is this a tough question to answer? When oil was 147, I paid 4.40, but now oil is under 100 and I’m paying 4.40. Now I understand that right now, the high gas prices are due to issues with refining the oil due to Ike. But, even when oil was hovering around 100 the past few weeks, gas was still 3.90-4.00 around here.

    How is this determined is what I’m asking? I hear people saying 200 dollar oil was be disastrous and I don’t buy it. I mean gas was 4.40 at 150, it would probably be only 5 dollars at 200, correct?

    I guess I’m throwing a lot of things out there and seeing if maybe I hit something that you could answer, haha. I apologize but I’m just trying to learn. Thanks!

    Comment by Frankie | September 16, 2008

  32. Excuse me if I seem like I should know this stuff but I want to ask a few questions.

    With oil at 95 dollars a barrel now, where should the price of gas be? Or is this a tough question to answer? When oil was 147, I paid 4.40, but now oil is under 100 and I’m paying 4.40. Now I understand that right now, the high gas prices are due to issues with refining the oil due to Ike. But, even when oil was hovering around 100 the past few weeks, gas was still 3.90-4.00 around here.

    How is this determined is what I’m asking? I hear people saying 200 dollar oil was be disastrous and I don’t buy it. I mean gas was 4.40 at 150, it would probably be only 5 dollars at 200, correct?

    I guess I’m throwing a lot of things out there and seeing if maybe I hit something that you could answer, haha. I apologize but I’m just trying to learn. Thanks!

    Comment by Frankie | September 16, 2008

  33. Excuse me if I seem like I should know this stuff but I want to ask a few questions.

    With oil at 95 dollars a barrel now, where should the price of gas be? Or is this a tough question to answer? When oil was 147, I paid 4.40, but now oil is under 100 and I’m paying 4.40. Now I understand that right now, the high gas prices are due to issues with refining the oil due to Ike. But, even when oil was hovering around 100 the past few weeks, gas was still 3.90-4.00 around here.

    How is this determined is what I’m asking? I hear people saying 200 dollar oil was be disastrous and I don’t buy it. I mean gas was 4.40 at 150, it would probably be only 5 dollars at 200, correct?

    I guess I’m throwing a lot of things out there and seeing if maybe I hit something that you could answer, haha. I apologize but I’m just trying to learn. Thanks!

    Comment by Frankie | September 16, 2008

  34. Excuse me if I seem like I should know this stuff but I want to ask a few questions.

    With oil at 95 dollars a barrel now, where should the price of gas be? Or is this a tough question to answer? When oil was 147, I paid 4.40, but now oil is under 100 and I’m paying 4.40. Now I understand that right now, the high gas prices are due to issues with refining the oil due to Ike. But, even when oil was hovering around 100 the past few weeks, gas was still 3.90-4.00 around here.

    How is this determined is what I’m asking? I hear people saying 200 dollar oil was be disastrous and I don’t buy it. I mean gas was 4.40 at 150, it would probably be only 5 dollars at 200, correct?

    I guess I’m throwing a lot of things out there and seeing if maybe I hit something that you could answer, haha. I apologize but I’m just trying to learn. Thanks!

    Comment by Frankie | September 16, 2008

  35. Excuse me if I seem like I should know this stuff but I want to ask a few questions. With oil at 95 dollars a barrel now, where should the price of gas be? Or is this a tough question to answer? When oil was 147, I paid 4.40, but now oil is under 100 and I’m paying 4.40. Now I understand that right now, the high gas prices are due to issues with refining the oil due to Ike. But, even when oil was hovering around 100 the past few weeks, gas was still 3.90-4.00 around here. How is this determined is what I’m asking? I hear people saying 200 dollar oil was be disastrous and I don’t buy it. I mean gas was 4.40 at 150, it would probably be only 5 dollars at 200, correct? I guess I’m throwing a lot of things out there and seeing if maybe I hit something that you could answer, haha. I apologize but I’m just trying to learn. Thanks!

    Comment by Frankie | September 16, 2008

  36. Higher retail gasoline prices may reflect the added costs of getting supplies into the area and responding to short term shortages.

    That is what happened following Katrina. There was a giant sucking sound across the country as gasoline rushed to fill the void. It ended up driving up prices across the country.

    What is the situation right now in Houston? Are stations out of gas now?

    Cheers, Robert

    Comment by Robert Rapier | September 16, 2008

  37. Higher retail gasoline prices may reflect the added costs of getting supplies into the area and responding to short term shortages.

    That is what happened following Katrina. There was a giant sucking sound across the country as gasoline rushed to fill the void. It ended up driving up prices across the country.

    What is the situation right now in Houston? Are stations out of gas now?

    Cheers, Robert

    Comment by Robert Rapier | September 16, 2008

  38. Higher retail gasoline prices may reflect the added costs of getting supplies into the area and responding to short term shortages.

    That is what happened following Katrina. There was a giant sucking sound across the country as gasoline rushed to fill the void. It ended up driving up prices across the country.

    What is the situation right now in Houston? Are stations out of gas now?

    Cheers, Robert

    Comment by Robert Rapier | September 16, 2008

  39. Higher retail gasoline prices may reflect the added costs of getting supplies into the area and responding to short term shortages.

    That is what happened following Katrina. There was a giant sucking sound across the country as gasoline rushed to fill the void. It ended up driving up prices across the country.

    What is the situation right now in Houston? Are stations out of gas now?

    Cheers, Robert

    Comment by Robert Rapier | September 16, 2008

  40. Higher retail gasoline prices may reflect the added costs of getting supplies into the area and responding to short term shortages.

    That is what happened following Katrina. There was a giant sucking sound across the country as gasoline rushed to fill the void. It ended up driving up prices across the country.

    What is the situation right now in Houston? Are stations out of gas now?

    Cheers, Robert

    Comment by Robert Rapier | September 16, 2008

  41. Higher retail gasoline prices may reflect the added costs of getting supplies into the area and responding to short term shortages.

    That is what happened following Katrina. There was a giant sucking sound across the country as gasoline rushed to fill the void. It ended up driving up prices across the country.

    What is the situation right now in Houston? Are stations out of gas now?

    Cheers, Robert

    Comment by Robert Rapier | September 16, 2008

  42. Higher retail gasoline prices may reflect the added costs of getting supplies into the area and responding to short term shortages.That is what happened following Katrina. There was a giant sucking sound across the country as gasoline rushed to fill the void. It ended up driving up prices across the country. What is the situation right now in Houston? Are stations out of gas now?Cheers, Robert

    Comment by Robert Rapier | September 16, 2008

  43. With oil at 95 dollars a barrel now, where should the price of gas be? Or is this a tough question to answer?

    It’s a very tough question to answer. I have written several essays in the past about gasoline pricing, and why it can diverge from oil pricing. Factors impacting this include gasoline imports, gasoline storage in inventory, and refinery utilization.

    A barrel of oil contains 42 gallons. You can approximate by assuming that this makes around 42 gallons of diesel and gasoline. Thus, every 42 gallons adds about a dollar per gallon to the price. That’s a very rough way to look at it, and would only be valid if the other considerations (like refinery utilization) weren’t such major factors.

    Cheers, RR

    Comment by Robert Rapier | September 16, 2008

  44. With oil at 95 dollars a barrel now, where should the price of gas be? Or is this a tough question to answer?

    It’s a very tough question to answer. I have written several essays in the past about gasoline pricing, and why it can diverge from oil pricing. Factors impacting this include gasoline imports, gasoline storage in inventory, and refinery utilization.

    A barrel of oil contains 42 gallons. You can approximate by assuming that this makes around 42 gallons of diesel and gasoline. Thus, every 42 gallons adds about a dollar per gallon to the price. That’s a very rough way to look at it, and would only be valid if the other considerations (like refinery utilization) weren’t such major factors.

    Cheers, RR

    Comment by Robert Rapier | September 16, 2008

  45. With oil at 95 dollars a barrel now, where should the price of gas be? Or is this a tough question to answer?

    It’s a very tough question to answer. I have written several essays in the past about gasoline pricing, and why it can diverge from oil pricing. Factors impacting this include gasoline imports, gasoline storage in inventory, and refinery utilization.

    A barrel of oil contains 42 gallons. You can approximate by assuming that this makes around 42 gallons of diesel and gasoline. Thus, every 42 gallons adds about a dollar per gallon to the price. That’s a very rough way to look at it, and would only be valid if the other considerations (like refinery utilization) weren’t such major factors.

    Cheers, RR

    Comment by Robert Rapier | September 16, 2008

  46. With oil at 95 dollars a barrel now, where should the price of gas be? Or is this a tough question to answer?

    It’s a very tough question to answer. I have written several essays in the past about gasoline pricing, and why it can diverge from oil pricing. Factors impacting this include gasoline imports, gasoline storage in inventory, and refinery utilization.

    A barrel of oil contains 42 gallons. You can approximate by assuming that this makes around 42 gallons of diesel and gasoline. Thus, every 42 gallons adds about a dollar per gallon to the price. That’s a very rough way to look at it, and would only be valid if the other considerations (like refinery utilization) weren’t such major factors.

    Cheers, RR

    Comment by Robert Rapier | September 16, 2008

  47. With oil at 95 dollars a barrel now, where should the price of gas be? Or is this a tough question to answer?

    It’s a very tough question to answer. I have written several essays in the past about gasoline pricing, and why it can diverge from oil pricing. Factors impacting this include gasoline imports, gasoline storage in inventory, and refinery utilization.

    A barrel of oil contains 42 gallons. You can approximate by assuming that this makes around 42 gallons of diesel and gasoline. Thus, every 42 gallons adds about a dollar per gallon to the price. That’s a very rough way to look at it, and would only be valid if the other considerations (like refinery utilization) weren’t such major factors.

    Cheers, RR

    Comment by Robert Rapier | September 16, 2008

  48. With oil at 95 dollars a barrel now, where should the price of gas be? Or is this a tough question to answer?

    It’s a very tough question to answer. I have written several essays in the past about gasoline pricing, and why it can diverge from oil pricing. Factors impacting this include gasoline imports, gasoline storage in inventory, and refinery utilization.

    A barrel of oil contains 42 gallons. You can approximate by assuming that this makes around 42 gallons of diesel and gasoline. Thus, every 42 gallons adds about a dollar per gallon to the price. That’s a very rough way to look at it, and would only be valid if the other considerations (like refinery utilization) weren’t such major factors.

    Cheers, RR

    Comment by Robert Rapier | September 16, 2008

  49. With oil at 95 dollars a barrel now, where should the price of gas be? Or is this a tough question to answer?It’s a very tough question to answer. I have written several essays in the past about gasoline pricing, and why it can diverge from oil pricing. Factors impacting this include gasoline imports, gasoline storage in inventory, and refinery utilization.A barrel of oil contains 42 gallons. You can approximate by assuming that this makes around 42 gallons of diesel and gasoline. Thus, every 42 gallons adds about a dollar per gallon to the price. That’s a very rough way to look at it, and would only be valid if the other considerations (like refinery utilization) weren’t such major factors.Cheers, RR

    Comment by Robert Rapier | September 16, 2008

  50. I didn’t notice any stations,or even pumps,out of fuel this morning. Almost every station in the area had at least one or two pumps closed over the weekend. Some were closed altogether. They seem to all be open now….and there weren’t lines anywhere. Guess everyone tanked up already. Even odder,the price seems to have dropped a bit. Go figure…

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  51. I didn’t notice any stations,or even pumps,out of fuel this morning. Almost every station in the area had at least one or two pumps closed over the weekend. Some were closed altogether. They seem to all be open now….and there weren’t lines anywhere. Guess everyone tanked up already. Even odder,the price seems to have dropped a bit. Go figure…

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  52. I didn’t notice any stations,or even pumps,out of fuel this morning. Almost every station in the area had at least one or two pumps closed over the weekend. Some were closed altogether. They seem to all be open now….and there weren’t lines anywhere. Guess everyone tanked up already. Even odder,the price seems to have dropped a bit. Go figure…

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  53. I didn’t notice any stations,or even pumps,out of fuel this morning. Almost every station in the area had at least one or two pumps closed over the weekend. Some were closed altogether. They seem to all be open now….and there weren’t lines anywhere. Guess everyone tanked up already. Even odder,the price seems to have dropped a bit. Go figure…

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  54. I didn’t notice any stations,or even pumps,out of fuel this morning. Almost every station in the area had at least one or two pumps closed over the weekend. Some were closed altogether. They seem to all be open now….and there weren’t lines anywhere. Guess everyone tanked up already. Even odder,the price seems to have dropped a bit. Go figure…

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  55. I didn’t notice any stations,or even pumps,out of fuel this morning. Almost every station in the area had at least one or two pumps closed over the weekend. Some were closed altogether. They seem to all be open now….and there weren’t lines anywhere. Guess everyone tanked up already. Even odder,the price seems to have dropped a bit. Go figure…

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  56. I didn’t notice any stations,or even pumps,out of fuel this morning. Almost every station in the area had at least one or two pumps closed over the weekend. Some were closed altogether. They seem to all be open now….and there weren’t lines anywhere. Guess everyone tanked up already. Even odder,the price seems to have dropped a bit. Go figure…

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  57. “NYMEX gasoline for October delivery closed down $0.2082 at $2.5614”

    That will put prices in the $3 area at the pump kingofkaty. About 38 cents for taxes and another nickle or so station mark-up. Louisiana passed a law mandating a minimum 6 cent mark-up,because Walmart and Albertsons were luring customers in with wholesale prices. That,along with some of the highest state gas taxes in the country,means our gas costs more at the pump than a lot of states,even though much of the oil is produced and refined here. Unlike Alaska,we don’t get a royalty each year. What we do get is high taxes and lousy services. Corruption and ineptitude sucks,but if he’s nicknamed Bubba or Booby,we’ll re-elect him every time…LOL.

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  58. “NYMEX gasoline for October delivery closed down $0.2082 at $2.5614”

    That will put prices in the $3 area at the pump kingofkaty. About 38 cents for taxes and another nickle or so station mark-up. Louisiana passed a law mandating a minimum 6 cent mark-up,because Walmart and Albertsons were luring customers in with wholesale prices. That,along with some of the highest state gas taxes in the country,means our gas costs more at the pump than a lot of states,even though much of the oil is produced and refined here. Unlike Alaska,we don’t get a royalty each year. What we do get is high taxes and lousy services. Corruption and ineptitude sucks,but if he’s nicknamed Bubba or Booby,we’ll re-elect him every time…LOL.

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  59. “NYMEX gasoline for October delivery closed down $0.2082 at $2.5614”

    That will put prices in the $3 area at the pump kingofkaty. About 38 cents for taxes and another nickle or so station mark-up. Louisiana passed a law mandating a minimum 6 cent mark-up,because Walmart and Albertsons were luring customers in with wholesale prices. That,along with some of the highest state gas taxes in the country,means our gas costs more at the pump than a lot of states,even though much of the oil is produced and refined here. Unlike Alaska,we don’t get a royalty each year. What we do get is high taxes and lousy services. Corruption and ineptitude sucks,but if he’s nicknamed Bubba or Booby,we’ll re-elect him every time…LOL.

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  60. “NYMEX gasoline for October delivery closed down $0.2082 at $2.5614”

    That will put prices in the $3 area at the pump kingofkaty. About 38 cents for taxes and another nickle or so station mark-up. Louisiana passed a law mandating a minimum 6 cent mark-up,because Walmart and Albertsons were luring customers in with wholesale prices. That,along with some of the highest state gas taxes in the country,means our gas costs more at the pump than a lot of states,even though much of the oil is produced and refined here. Unlike Alaska,we don’t get a royalty each year. What we do get is high taxes and lousy services. Corruption and ineptitude sucks,but if he’s nicknamed Bubba or Booby,we’ll re-elect him every time…LOL.

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  61. “NYMEX gasoline for October delivery closed down $0.2082 at $2.5614”

    That will put prices in the $3 area at the pump kingofkaty. About 38 cents for taxes and another nickle or so station mark-up. Louisiana passed a law mandating a minimum 6 cent mark-up,because Walmart and Albertsons were luring customers in with wholesale prices. That,along with some of the highest state gas taxes in the country,means our gas costs more at the pump than a lot of states,even though much of the oil is produced and refined here. Unlike Alaska,we don’t get a royalty each year. What we do get is high taxes and lousy services. Corruption and ineptitude sucks,but if he’s nicknamed Bubba or Booby,we’ll re-elect him every time…LOL.

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  62. “NYMEX gasoline for October delivery closed down $0.2082 at $2.5614”

    That will put prices in the $3 area at the pump kingofkaty. About 38 cents for taxes and another nickle or so station mark-up. Louisiana passed a law mandating a minimum 6 cent mark-up,because Walmart and Albertsons were luring customers in with wholesale prices. That,along with some of the highest state gas taxes in the country,means our gas costs more at the pump than a lot of states,even though much of the oil is produced and refined here. Unlike Alaska,we don’t get a royalty each year. What we do get is high taxes and lousy services. Corruption and ineptitude sucks,but if he’s nicknamed Bubba or Booby,we’ll re-elect him every time…LOL.

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  63. “NYMEX gasoline for October delivery closed down $0.2082 at $2.5614″That will put prices in the $3 area at the pump kingofkaty. About 38 cents for taxes and another nickle or so station mark-up. Louisiana passed a law mandating a minimum 6 cent mark-up,because Walmart and Albertsons were luring customers in with wholesale prices. That,along with some of the highest state gas taxes in the country,means our gas costs more at the pump than a lot of states,even though much of the oil is produced and refined here. Unlike Alaska,we don’t get a royalty each year. What we do get is high taxes and lousy services. Corruption and ineptitude sucks,but if he’s nicknamed Bubba or Booby,we’ll re-elect him every time…LOL.

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  64. Are you in Louisiana, Maury?

    Comment by Anonymous | September 16, 2008

  65. Are you in Louisiana, Maury?

    Comment by Anonymous | September 16, 2008

  66. Are you in Louisiana, Maury?

    Comment by Anonymous | September 16, 2008

  67. Are you in Louisiana, Maury?

    Comment by Anonymous | September 16, 2008

  68. Are you in Louisiana, Maury?

    Comment by Anonymous | September 16, 2008

  69. Are you in Louisiana, Maury?

    Comment by Anonymous | September 16, 2008

  70. Are you in Louisiana, Maury?

    Comment by Anonymous | September 16, 2008

  71. The Westbank side of New Orleans anonymous. We get most of our gas from the BP refinery in Belle Chasse and the Murphy Oil refinery in Chalmette. Norco(ten miles away) has four refineries,but I don’t see their trucks tanking up much around here.

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  72. The Westbank side of New Orleans anonymous. We get most of our gas from the BP refinery in Belle Chasse and the Murphy Oil refinery in Chalmette. Norco(ten miles away) has four refineries,but I don’t see their trucks tanking up much around here.

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  73. The Westbank side of New Orleans anonymous. We get most of our gas from the BP refinery in Belle Chasse and the Murphy Oil refinery in Chalmette. Norco(ten miles away) has four refineries,but I don’t see their trucks tanking up much around here.

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  74. The Westbank side of New Orleans anonymous. We get most of our gas from the BP refinery in Belle Chasse and the Murphy Oil refinery in Chalmette. Norco(ten miles away) has four refineries,but I don’t see their trucks tanking up much around here.

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  75. The Westbank side of New Orleans anonymous. We get most of our gas from the BP refinery in Belle Chasse and the Murphy Oil refinery in Chalmette. Norco(ten miles away) has four refineries,but I don’t see their trucks tanking up much around here.

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  76. The Westbank side of New Orleans anonymous. We get most of our gas from the BP refinery in Belle Chasse and the Murphy Oil refinery in Chalmette. Norco(ten miles away) has four refineries,but I don’t see their trucks tanking up much around here.

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  77. The Westbank side of New Orleans anonymous. We get most of our gas from the BP refinery in Belle Chasse and the Murphy Oil refinery in Chalmette. Norco(ten miles away) has four refineries,but I don’t see their trucks tanking up much around here.

    Comment by Maury | September 16, 2008

  78. Maury – term limits took care a lot of your “Booby’s”. So far I’ve been impressed with Jindal. Except maybe for the pay raise and the intelligent design fiasco.

    Last night I took the scenic route home to survey the local service stations. I saw prices from $3.39 to $3.79. Only about half the number of stations are up and operating. We have power most places out in Katy, but not all the stations are open. I would say there isn’t any price gouging I can see. Lines are maybe 8-10 cars long at each pump.

    I heard an ad on the radio for http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com . They were promising 3 day delivery on generators to Houston.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 16, 2008

  79. Maury – term limits took care a lot of your “Booby’s”. So far I’ve been impressed with Jindal. Except maybe for the pay raise and the intelligent design fiasco.

    Last night I took the scenic route home to survey the local service stations. I saw prices from $3.39 to $3.79. Only about half the number of stations are up and operating. We have power most places out in Katy, but not all the stations are open. I would say there isn’t any price gouging I can see. Lines are maybe 8-10 cars long at each pump.

    I heard an ad on the radio for http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com . They were promising 3 day delivery on generators to Houston.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 16, 2008

  80. Maury – term limits took care a lot of your “Booby’s”. So far I’ve been impressed with Jindal. Except maybe for the pay raise and the intelligent design fiasco.

    Last night I took the scenic route home to survey the local service stations. I saw prices from $3.39 to $3.79. Only about half the number of stations are up and operating. We have power most places out in Katy, but not all the stations are open. I would say there isn’t any price gouging I can see. Lines are maybe 8-10 cars long at each pump.

    I heard an ad on the radio for http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com . They were promising 3 day delivery on generators to Houston.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 16, 2008

  81. Maury – term limits took care a lot of your “Booby’s”. So far I’ve been impressed with Jindal. Except maybe for the pay raise and the intelligent design fiasco.

    Last night I took the scenic route home to survey the local service stations. I saw prices from $3.39 to $3.79. Only about half the number of stations are up and operating. We have power most places out in Katy, but not all the stations are open. I would say there isn’t any price gouging I can see. Lines are maybe 8-10 cars long at each pump.

    I heard an ad on the radio for http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com . They were promising 3 day delivery on generators to Houston.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 16, 2008

  82. Maury – term limits took care a lot of your “Booby’s”. So far I’ve been impressed with Jindal. Except maybe for the pay raise and the intelligent design fiasco.

    Last night I took the scenic route home to survey the local service stations. I saw prices from $3.39 to $3.79. Only about half the number of stations are up and operating. We have power most places out in Katy, but not all the stations are open. I would say there isn’t any price gouging I can see. Lines are maybe 8-10 cars long at each pump.

    I heard an ad on the radio for http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com . They were promising 3 day delivery on generators to Houston.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 16, 2008

  83. Maury – term limits took care a lot of your “Booby’s”. So far I’ve been impressed with Jindal. Except maybe for the pay raise and the intelligent design fiasco.

    Last night I took the scenic route home to survey the local service stations. I saw prices from $3.39 to $3.79. Only about half the number of stations are up and operating. We have power most places out in Katy, but not all the stations are open. I would say there isn’t any price gouging I can see. Lines are maybe 8-10 cars long at each pump.

    I heard an ad on the radio for http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com . They were promising 3 day delivery on generators to Houston.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 16, 2008

  84. Maury – term limits took care a lot of your “Booby’s”. So far I’ve been impressed with Jindal. Except maybe for the pay raise and the intelligent design fiasco. Last night I took the scenic route home to survey the local service stations. I saw prices from $3.39 to $3.79. Only about half the number of stations are up and operating. We have power most places out in Katy, but not all the stations are open. I would say there isn’t any price gouging I can see. Lines are maybe 8-10 cars long at each pump. I heard an ad on the radio for http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com . They were promising 3 day delivery on generators to Houston.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 16, 2008

  85. One thing I never see mentioned in the gasoline scare stories is how much gasoline might be in the actual stations. There are 200,000gas stations in America, and I think they have about 30,000 gallon capacities. That amount does not seem to be counted in the inventory figures. Assuming 30,000 gallons per gas station, that’s another 6 billion gallons of supply. If we assume stations are half-empty, that’s 3 billion gallons more.
    For that matter there are 200 million cars in America, and they have gasoline in ’em too.
    plenty of gasoline in California.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  86. One thing I never see mentioned in the gasoline scare stories is how much gasoline might be in the actual stations. There are 200,000gas stations in America, and I think they have about 30,000 gallon capacities. That amount does not seem to be counted in the inventory figures. Assuming 30,000 gallons per gas station, that’s another 6 billion gallons of supply. If we assume stations are half-empty, that’s 3 billion gallons more.
    For that matter there are 200 million cars in America, and they have gasoline in ’em too.
    plenty of gasoline in California.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  87. One thing I never see mentioned in the gasoline scare stories is how much gasoline might be in the actual stations. There are 200,000gas stations in America, and I think they have about 30,000 gallon capacities. That amount does not seem to be counted in the inventory figures. Assuming 30,000 gallons per gas station, that’s another 6 billion gallons of supply. If we assume stations are half-empty, that’s 3 billion gallons more.
    For that matter there are 200 million cars in America, and they have gasoline in ’em too.
    plenty of gasoline in California.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  88. One thing I never see mentioned in the gasoline scare stories is how much gasoline might be in the actual stations. There are 200,000gas stations in America, and I think they have about 30,000 gallon capacities. That amount does not seem to be counted in the inventory figures. Assuming 30,000 gallons per gas station, that’s another 6 billion gallons of supply. If we assume stations are half-empty, that’s 3 billion gallons more.
    For that matter there are 200 million cars in America, and they have gasoline in ’em too.
    plenty of gasoline in California.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  89. One thing I never see mentioned in the gasoline scare stories is how much gasoline might be in the actual stations. There are 200,000gas stations in America, and I think they have about 30,000 gallon capacities. That amount does not seem to be counted in the inventory figures. Assuming 30,000 gallons per gas station, that’s another 6 billion gallons of supply. If we assume stations are half-empty, that’s 3 billion gallons more.
    For that matter there are 200 million cars in America, and they have gasoline in ’em too.
    plenty of gasoline in California.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  90. One thing I never see mentioned in the gasoline scare stories is how much gasoline might be in the actual stations. There are 200,000gas stations in America, and I think they have about 30,000 gallon capacities. That amount does not seem to be counted in the inventory figures. Assuming 30,000 gallons per gas station, that’s another 6 billion gallons of supply. If we assume stations are half-empty, that’s 3 billion gallons more.
    For that matter there are 200 million cars in America, and they have gasoline in ’em too.
    plenty of gasoline in California.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  91. One thing I never see mentioned in the gasoline scare stories is how much gasoline might be in the actual stations. There are 200,000gas stations in America, and I think they have about 30,000 gallon capacities. That amount does not seem to be counted in the inventory figures. Assuming 30,000 gallons per gas station, that’s another 6 billion gallons of supply. If we assume stations are half-empty, that’s 3 billion gallons more. For that matter there are 200 million cars in America, and they have gasoline in ’em too.plenty of gasoline in California.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  92. Oil dumping again!
    Now, I think we see a full on rout. Too many speculators took long postions north of $100. They are going to get creamed. They will liquidate, driving the market down more.
    The sword cuts two ways. Speculators drove this price up, and now they will watch the house of cards crumble. Okay, I mix my metaphors.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  93. Oil dumping again!
    Now, I think we see a full on rout. Too many speculators took long postions north of $100. They are going to get creamed. They will liquidate, driving the market down more.
    The sword cuts two ways. Speculators drove this price up, and now they will watch the house of cards crumble. Okay, I mix my metaphors.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  94. Oil dumping again!
    Now, I think we see a full on rout. Too many speculators took long postions north of $100. They are going to get creamed. They will liquidate, driving the market down more.
    The sword cuts two ways. Speculators drove this price up, and now they will watch the house of cards crumble. Okay, I mix my metaphors.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  95. Oil dumping again!
    Now, I think we see a full on rout. Too many speculators took long postions north of $100. They are going to get creamed. They will liquidate, driving the market down more.
    The sword cuts two ways. Speculators drove this price up, and now they will watch the house of cards crumble. Okay, I mix my metaphors.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  96. Oil dumping again!
    Now, I think we see a full on rout. Too many speculators took long postions north of $100. They are going to get creamed. They will liquidate, driving the market down more.
    The sword cuts two ways. Speculators drove this price up, and now they will watch the house of cards crumble. Okay, I mix my metaphors.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  97. Oil dumping again!
    Now, I think we see a full on rout. Too many speculators took long postions north of $100. They are going to get creamed. They will liquidate, driving the market down more.
    The sword cuts two ways. Speculators drove this price up, and now they will watch the house of cards crumble. Okay, I mix my metaphors.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  98. Oil dumping again!Now, I think we see a full on rout. Too many speculators took long postions north of $100. They are going to get creamed. They will liquidate, driving the market down more. The sword cuts two ways. Speculators drove this price up, and now they will watch the house of cards crumble. Okay, I mix my metaphors.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 16, 2008

  99. “So far I’ve been impressed with Jindal.”

    That’s the general feeling here in Louisiana too kingofkaty. He was impressive as hell at those press conferences for Gustav and Ike. We had something of a fiasco for a couple days at the emergency food stamp centers,and the head of Health and Human Services was asked to resign. Imagine that….accountability. I don’t know who took her place,but it’s been smooth as silk since.

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  100. “So far I’ve been impressed with Jindal.”

    That’s the general feeling here in Louisiana too kingofkaty. He was impressive as hell at those press conferences for Gustav and Ike. We had something of a fiasco for a couple days at the emergency food stamp centers,and the head of Health and Human Services was asked to resign. Imagine that….accountability. I don’t know who took her place,but it’s been smooth as silk since.

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  101. “So far I’ve been impressed with Jindal.”

    That’s the general feeling here in Louisiana too kingofkaty. He was impressive as hell at those press conferences for Gustav and Ike. We had something of a fiasco for a couple days at the emergency food stamp centers,and the head of Health and Human Services was asked to resign. Imagine that….accountability. I don’t know who took her place,but it’s been smooth as silk since.

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  102. “So far I’ve been impressed with Jindal.”

    That’s the general feeling here in Louisiana too kingofkaty. He was impressive as hell at those press conferences for Gustav and Ike. We had something of a fiasco for a couple days at the emergency food stamp centers,and the head of Health and Human Services was asked to resign. Imagine that….accountability. I don’t know who took her place,but it’s been smooth as silk since.

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  103. “So far I’ve been impressed with Jindal.”

    That’s the general feeling here in Louisiana too kingofkaty. He was impressive as hell at those press conferences for Gustav and Ike. We had something of a fiasco for a couple days at the emergency food stamp centers,and the head of Health and Human Services was asked to resign. Imagine that….accountability. I don’t know who took her place,but it’s been smooth as silk since.

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  104. “So far I’ve been impressed with Jindal.”

    That’s the general feeling here in Louisiana too kingofkaty. He was impressive as hell at those press conferences for Gustav and Ike. We had something of a fiasco for a couple days at the emergency food stamp centers,and the head of Health and Human Services was asked to resign. Imagine that….accountability. I don’t know who took her place,but it’s been smooth as silk since.

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  105. “So far I’ve been impressed with Jindal.”That’s the general feeling here in Louisiana too kingofkaty. He was impressive as hell at those press conferences for Gustav and Ike. We had something of a fiasco for a couple days at the emergency food stamp centers,and the head of Health and Human Services was asked to resign. Imagine that….accountability. I don’t know who took her place,but it’s been smooth as silk since.

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  106. I saw the generator guy on local TV news. He really exists. He is selling Titan generators in a shopping center in Brazoria county. Only he is selling them BELOW suggested retail price.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  107. I saw the generator guy on local TV news. He really exists. He is selling Titan generators in a shopping center in Brazoria county. Only he is selling them BELOW suggested retail price.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  108. I saw the generator guy on local TV news. He really exists. He is selling Titan generators in a shopping center in Brazoria county. Only he is selling them BELOW suggested retail price.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  109. I saw the generator guy on local TV news. He really exists. He is selling Titan generators in a shopping center in Brazoria county. Only he is selling them BELOW suggested retail price.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  110. I saw the generator guy on local TV news. He really exists. He is selling Titan generators in a shopping center in Brazoria county. Only he is selling them BELOW suggested retail price.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  111. I saw the generator guy on local TV news. He really exists. He is selling Titan generators in a shopping center in Brazoria county. Only he is selling them BELOW suggested retail price.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  112. I saw the generator guy on local TV news. He really exists. He is selling Titan generators in a shopping center in Brazoria county. Only he is selling them BELOW suggested retail price.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  113. Benny,natural gas is dumping even faster than oil. Close to a 50% haircut now. I’ve got a hunch the wheels have come off the Chinese economy. They just announced a cut of the recent price hikes on fuel products,along with an announcement that the focus was now on boosting growth….instead of slowing growth…LOL. I think they caused the bubble in commodities and killed the dollar in the process. The recent recovery in the dollar was probably the first sign that they either don’t have as many dollars to blow,or they’re buying treasury notes instead of commodities. We may never know which,because they tend to fudge the hell out of statistics.

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  114. Benny,natural gas is dumping even faster than oil. Close to a 50% haircut now. I’ve got a hunch the wheels have come off the Chinese economy. They just announced a cut of the recent price hikes on fuel products,along with an announcement that the focus was now on boosting growth….instead of slowing growth…LOL. I think they caused the bubble in commodities and killed the dollar in the process. The recent recovery in the dollar was probably the first sign that they either don’t have as many dollars to blow,or they’re buying treasury notes instead of commodities. We may never know which,because they tend to fudge the hell out of statistics.

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  115. Benny,natural gas is dumping even faster than oil. Close to a 50% haircut now. I’ve got a hunch the wheels have come off the Chinese economy. They just announced a cut of the recent price hikes on fuel products,along with an announcement that the focus was now on boosting growth….instead of slowing growth…LOL. I think they caused the bubble in commodities and killed the dollar in the process. The recent recovery in the dollar was probably the first sign that they either don’t have as many dollars to blow,or they’re buying treasury notes instead of commodities. We may never know which,because they tend to fudge the hell out of statistics.

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  116. Benny,natural gas is dumping even faster than oil. Close to a 50% haircut now. I’ve got a hunch the wheels have come off the Chinese economy. They just announced a cut of the recent price hikes on fuel products,along with an announcement that the focus was now on boosting growth….instead of slowing growth…LOL. I think they caused the bubble in commodities and killed the dollar in the process. The recent recovery in the dollar was probably the first sign that they either don’t have as many dollars to blow,or they’re buying treasury notes instead of commodities. We may never know which,because they tend to fudge the hell out of statistics.

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  117. Benny,natural gas is dumping even faster than oil. Close to a 50% haircut now. I’ve got a hunch the wheels have come off the Chinese economy. They just announced a cut of the recent price hikes on fuel products,along with an announcement that the focus was now on boosting growth….instead of slowing growth…LOL. I think they caused the bubble in commodities and killed the dollar in the process. The recent recovery in the dollar was probably the first sign that they either don’t have as many dollars to blow,or they’re buying treasury notes instead of commodities. We may never know which,because they tend to fudge the hell out of statistics.

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  118. Benny,natural gas is dumping even faster than oil. Close to a 50% haircut now. I’ve got a hunch the wheels have come off the Chinese economy. They just announced a cut of the recent price hikes on fuel products,along with an announcement that the focus was now on boosting growth….instead of slowing growth…LOL. I think they caused the bubble in commodities and killed the dollar in the process. The recent recovery in the dollar was probably the first sign that they either don’t have as many dollars to blow,or they’re buying treasury notes instead of commodities. We may never know which,because they tend to fudge the hell out of statistics.

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  119. Benny,natural gas is dumping even faster than oil. Close to a 50% haircut now. I’ve got a hunch the wheels have come off the Chinese economy. They just announced a cut of the recent price hikes on fuel products,along with an announcement that the focus was now on boosting growth….instead of slowing growth…LOL. I think they caused the bubble in commodities and killed the dollar in the process. The recent recovery in the dollar was probably the first sign that they either don’t have as many dollars to blow,or they’re buying treasury notes instead of commodities. We may never know which,because they tend to fudge the hell out of statistics.

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  120. Prices went up 10-15 cents here (NW of San Antonio) over the weekend. I just noticed a Chevron station back to pre-Ike price on the way home this evening.

    Refinery utilization was what, 70-something percent last week? I don’t think a few refineries down a week or two will cause mass shortages. Spot shortages, perhaps.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 17, 2008

  121. Prices went up 10-15 cents here (NW of San Antonio) over the weekend. I just noticed a Chevron station back to pre-Ike price on the way home this evening.

    Refinery utilization was what, 70-something percent last week? I don’t think a few refineries down a week or two will cause mass shortages. Spot shortages, perhaps.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 17, 2008

  122. Prices went up 10-15 cents here (NW of San Antonio) over the weekend. I just noticed a Chevron station back to pre-Ike price on the way home this evening.

    Refinery utilization was what, 70-something percent last week? I don’t think a few refineries down a week or two will cause mass shortages. Spot shortages, perhaps.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 17, 2008

  123. Prices went up 10-15 cents here (NW of San Antonio) over the weekend. I just noticed a Chevron station back to pre-Ike price on the way home this evening.

    Refinery utilization was what, 70-something percent last week? I don’t think a few refineries down a week or two will cause mass shortages. Spot shortages, perhaps.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 17, 2008

  124. Prices went up 10-15 cents here (NW of San Antonio) over the weekend. I just noticed a Chevron station back to pre-Ike price on the way home this evening.

    Refinery utilization was what, 70-something percent last week? I don’t think a few refineries down a week or two will cause mass shortages. Spot shortages, perhaps.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 17, 2008

  125. Prices went up 10-15 cents here (NW of San Antonio) over the weekend. I just noticed a Chevron station back to pre-Ike price on the way home this evening.

    Refinery utilization was what, 70-something percent last week? I don’t think a few refineries down a week or two will cause mass shortages. Spot shortages, perhaps.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 17, 2008

  126. Prices went up 10-15 cents here (NW of San Antonio) over the weekend. I just noticed a Chevron station back to pre-Ike price on the way home this evening.Refinery utilization was what, 70-something percent last week? I don’t think a few refineries down a week or two will cause mass shortages. Spot shortages, perhaps.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 17, 2008

  127. doggy – The lines at service stations here on the west side of Houston are much shorter this morning. I’ve seen prices anywhere from $3.33 to $3.97. The lower prices tend to be the big chain outlets or company owned stores who are probably taking a loss on replacing gasoline. (Kroger, Sam’s Club, ConocoPhillips, ExxonMobil, etc.) The independent retailers are the highest price. I understand that, they are small business people. There appears no real shortage of gas, still just a problem with power at some service stations. I would say maybe 1/2 of all the stations are open.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  128. doggy – The lines at service stations here on the west side of Houston are much shorter this morning. I’ve seen prices anywhere from $3.33 to $3.97. The lower prices tend to be the big chain outlets or company owned stores who are probably taking a loss on replacing gasoline. (Kroger, Sam’s Club, ConocoPhillips, ExxonMobil, etc.) The independent retailers are the highest price. I understand that, they are small business people. There appears no real shortage of gas, still just a problem with power at some service stations. I would say maybe 1/2 of all the stations are open.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  129. doggy – The lines at service stations here on the west side of Houston are much shorter this morning. I’ve seen prices anywhere from $3.33 to $3.97. The lower prices tend to be the big chain outlets or company owned stores who are probably taking a loss on replacing gasoline. (Kroger, Sam’s Club, ConocoPhillips, ExxonMobil, etc.) The independent retailers are the highest price. I understand that, they are small business people. There appears no real shortage of gas, still just a problem with power at some service stations. I would say maybe 1/2 of all the stations are open.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  130. doggy – The lines at service stations here on the west side of Houston are much shorter this morning. I’ve seen prices anywhere from $3.33 to $3.97. The lower prices tend to be the big chain outlets or company owned stores who are probably taking a loss on replacing gasoline. (Kroger, Sam’s Club, ConocoPhillips, ExxonMobil, etc.) The independent retailers are the highest price. I understand that, they are small business people. There appears no real shortage of gas, still just a problem with power at some service stations. I would say maybe 1/2 of all the stations are open.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  131. doggy – The lines at service stations here on the west side of Houston are much shorter this morning. I’ve seen prices anywhere from $3.33 to $3.97. The lower prices tend to be the big chain outlets or company owned stores who are probably taking a loss on replacing gasoline. (Kroger, Sam’s Club, ConocoPhillips, ExxonMobil, etc.) The independent retailers are the highest price. I understand that, they are small business people. There appears no real shortage of gas, still just a problem with power at some service stations. I would say maybe 1/2 of all the stations are open.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  132. doggy – The lines at service stations here on the west side of Houston are much shorter this morning. I’ve seen prices anywhere from $3.33 to $3.97. The lower prices tend to be the big chain outlets or company owned stores who are probably taking a loss on replacing gasoline. (Kroger, Sam’s Club, ConocoPhillips, ExxonMobil, etc.) The independent retailers are the highest price. I understand that, they are small business people. There appears no real shortage of gas, still just a problem with power at some service stations. I would say maybe 1/2 of all the stations are open.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  133. doggy – The lines at service stations here on the west side of Houston are much shorter this morning. I’ve seen prices anywhere from $3.33 to $3.97. The lower prices tend to be the big chain outlets or company owned stores who are probably taking a loss on replacing gasoline. (Kroger, Sam’s Club, ConocoPhillips, ExxonMobil, etc.) The independent retailers are the highest price. I understand that, they are small business people. There appears no real shortage of gas, still just a problem with power at some service stations. I would say maybe 1/2 of all the stations are open.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  134. Oil prices — when a storm temporarily knocks out about one fifth of US refineries, closes LOOP, etc, wouldn’t that mean a whole fleet of inbound tankers suddenly needs to find new places to unload their cargoes? Couldn’t this drive down the spot price of oil for a short while? Just wondering.

    Comment by Kinuachdrach | September 17, 2008

  135. Oil prices — when a storm temporarily knocks out about one fifth of US refineries, closes LOOP, etc, wouldn’t that mean a whole fleet of inbound tankers suddenly needs to find new places to unload their cargoes? Couldn’t this drive down the spot price of oil for a short while? Just wondering.

    Comment by Kinuachdrach | September 17, 2008

  136. Oil prices — when a storm temporarily knocks out about one fifth of US refineries, closes LOOP, etc, wouldn’t that mean a whole fleet of inbound tankers suddenly needs to find new places to unload their cargoes? Couldn’t this drive down the spot price of oil for a short while? Just wondering.

    Comment by Kinuachdrach | September 17, 2008

  137. Oil prices — when a storm temporarily knocks out about one fifth of US refineries, closes LOOP, etc, wouldn’t that mean a whole fleet of inbound tankers suddenly needs to find new places to unload their cargoes? Couldn’t this drive down the spot price of oil for a short while? Just wondering.

    Comment by Kinuachdrach | September 17, 2008

  138. Oil prices — when a storm temporarily knocks out about one fifth of US refineries, closes LOOP, etc, wouldn’t that mean a whole fleet of inbound tankers suddenly needs to find new places to unload their cargoes? Couldn’t this drive down the spot price of oil for a short while? Just wondering.

    Comment by Kinuachdrach | September 17, 2008

  139. Oil prices — when a storm temporarily knocks out about one fifth of US refineries, closes LOOP, etc, wouldn’t that mean a whole fleet of inbound tankers suddenly needs to find new places to unload their cargoes? Couldn’t this drive down the spot price of oil for a short while? Just wondering.

    Comment by Kinuachdrach | September 17, 2008

  140. Oil prices — when a storm temporarily knocks out about one fifth of US refineries, closes LOOP, etc, wouldn’t that mean a whole fleet of inbound tankers suddenly needs to find new places to unload their cargoes? Couldn’t this drive down the spot price of oil for a short while? Just wondering.

    Comment by Kinuachdrach | September 17, 2008

  141. There are 20 days worth of gasoline sitting in storage. It shouldn’t matter if 14 refineries are down for less than 20 days. I know it does….but it shouldn’t. One thing is certain. Refineries increased their margins. With oil down 40%,you’d think gas would be down at least 10%. Maybe someday…

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  142. There are 20 days worth of gasoline sitting in storage. It shouldn’t matter if 14 refineries are down for less than 20 days. I know it does….but it shouldn’t. One thing is certain. Refineries increased their margins. With oil down 40%,you’d think gas would be down at least 10%. Maybe someday…

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  143. There are 20 days worth of gasoline sitting in storage. It shouldn’t matter if 14 refineries are down for less than 20 days. I know it does….but it shouldn’t. One thing is certain. Refineries increased their margins. With oil down 40%,you’d think gas would be down at least 10%. Maybe someday…

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  144. There are 20 days worth of gasoline sitting in storage. It shouldn’t matter if 14 refineries are down for less than 20 days. I know it does….but it shouldn’t. One thing is certain. Refineries increased their margins. With oil down 40%,you’d think gas would be down at least 10%. Maybe someday…

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  145. There are 20 days worth of gasoline sitting in storage. It shouldn’t matter if 14 refineries are down for less than 20 days. I know it does….but it shouldn’t. One thing is certain. Refineries increased their margins. With oil down 40%,you’d think gas would be down at least 10%. Maybe someday…

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  146. There are 20 days worth of gasoline sitting in storage. It shouldn’t matter if 14 refineries are down for less than 20 days. I know it does….but it shouldn’t. One thing is certain. Refineries increased their margins. With oil down 40%,you’d think gas would be down at least 10%. Maybe someday…

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  147. There are 20 days worth of gasoline sitting in storage. It shouldn’t matter if 14 refineries are down for less than 20 days. I know it does….but it shouldn’t. One thing is certain. Refineries increased their margins. With oil down 40%,you’d think gas would be down at least 10%. Maybe someday…

    Comment by Maury | September 17, 2008

  148. Filled up at lunch for $3.399. Only needed 3 gallons in the KingofKaty Hybrid, got better than 30 MPG! There were several empty pumps so I didn’t feel guilty about topping off.

    Speaking of hybrids, it has been a whole 24 hours since Chevy unveils the production version of the Volt and not a post from Benny!

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  149. Filled up at lunch for $3.399. Only needed 3 gallons in the KingofKaty Hybrid, got better than 30 MPG! There were several empty pumps so I didn’t feel guilty about topping off.

    Speaking of hybrids, it has been a whole 24 hours since Chevy unveils the production version of the Volt and not a post from Benny!

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  150. Filled up at lunch for $3.399. Only needed 3 gallons in the KingofKaty Hybrid, got better than 30 MPG! There were several empty pumps so I didn’t feel guilty about topping off.

    Speaking of hybrids, it has been a whole 24 hours since Chevy unveils the production version of the Volt and not a post from Benny!

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  151. Filled up at lunch for $3.399. Only needed 3 gallons in the KingofKaty Hybrid, got better than 30 MPG! There were several empty pumps so I didn’t feel guilty about topping off.

    Speaking of hybrids, it has been a whole 24 hours since Chevy unveils the production version of the Volt and not a post from Benny!

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  152. Filled up at lunch for $3.399. Only needed 3 gallons in the KingofKaty Hybrid, got better than 30 MPG! There were several empty pumps so I didn’t feel guilty about topping off.

    Speaking of hybrids, it has been a whole 24 hours since Chevy unveils the production version of the Volt and not a post from Benny!

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  153. Filled up at lunch for $3.399. Only needed 3 gallons in the KingofKaty Hybrid, got better than 30 MPG! There were several empty pumps so I didn’t feel guilty about topping off.

    Speaking of hybrids, it has been a whole 24 hours since Chevy unveils the production version of the Volt and not a post from Benny!

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  154. Filled up at lunch for $3.399. Only needed 3 gallons in the KingofKaty Hybrid, got better than 30 MPG! There were several empty pumps so I didn’t feel guilty about topping off. Speaking of hybrids, it has been a whole 24 hours since Chevy unveils the production version of the Volt and not a post from Benny!

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 17, 2008

  155. Kingofkaty–
    Okay, I’ll take the bait.
    Actually, I think GM is making a mistake. The Volt styling is so blah I could die.
    In Detroit, they just can’t think about sex and fuel economy at the same time. GM says anybody looking for an EV or high mpgs must be a 52-year-old unmarried aunt.
    The concept Volt was a bit sexy.
    This real Volt will cost about $10k more than otherwise, due to the battery.
    That $10k not a deal-breaker — look at the $70k BMWs, Mercedes, Cadillac Escalades etc thick on L.A. roadways. But those cars are sexy (to the buyers).
    The Volt will look like a $25k bubble-mobile compact, but sell for $35k. Maybe $40k.
    You have to be very practical and non-style conscious to buy this car — except if you are practical, you will buy a much cheaper Ford econocar.
    GM should have gone upscale, and made the Volt into a sexy, luxury sedan. You pay for the luxury of turning your nose up to those smelly gas stations. The Volt should be electrifying.
    The battery should be a luxury feature, for those-in-the-know.
    But, it is not to be. GM will be selling a bubble-car for a lot of money.
    For people who commute about 40 miles a day, the car may make sense, and they may buy it. I hope they do, and I think evey Volt is worth two tanks and one fighter plane, when it comes to national security.
    If gas prices rise above $5 a gallon, and the Volt battery works, we can expect EVs to commercialize rapidly. Maybe then we will see luxury EVs, and small sporty EVs.
    This first Volt is a bit left-footed. We will see how it sells.
    By the way, with all the bad financial and weather news, I hope everyone reading this blog is dodging the bullets.
    This is as ugly as any time since the 1970s. The lack of leadership is appalling.
    McCain, the Republican nominee, is running as the opposition party — that’s how bad it is.
    Obama looks like a guy who had all his campaign speeches stolen. He doesn’t know what hit him. McCain is lionizing the working man, and demonizing Wall Street, and Palin is slamming Big Oil. And these are the Republicans.

    I’m voting for RR.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 17, 2008

  156. Kingofkaty–
    Okay, I’ll take the bait.
    Actually, I think GM is making a mistake. The Volt styling is so blah I could die.
    In Detroit, they just can’t think about sex and fuel economy at the same time. GM says anybody looking for an EV or high mpgs must be a 52-year-old unmarried aunt.
    The concept Volt was a bit sexy.
    This real Volt will cost about $10k more than otherwise, due to the battery.
    That $10k not a deal-breaker — look at the $70k BMWs, Mercedes, Cadillac Escalades etc thick on L.A. roadways. But those cars are sexy (to the buyers).
    The Volt will look like a $25k bubble-mobile compact, but sell for $35k. Maybe $40k.
    You have to be very practical and non-style conscious to buy this car — except if you are practical, you will buy a much cheaper Ford econocar.
    GM should have gone upscale, and made the Volt into a sexy, luxury sedan. You pay for the luxury of turning your nose up to those smelly gas stations. The Volt should be electrifying.
    The battery should be a luxury feature, for those-in-the-know.
    But, it is not to be. GM will be selling a bubble-car for a lot of money.
    For people who commute about 40 miles a day, the car may make sense, and they may buy it. I hope they do, and I think evey Volt is worth two tanks and one fighter plane, when it comes to national security.
    If gas prices rise above $5 a gallon, and the Volt battery works, we can expect EVs to commercialize rapidly. Maybe then we will see luxury EVs, and small sporty EVs.
    This first Volt is a bit left-footed. We will see how it sells.
    By the way, with all the bad financial and weather news, I hope everyone reading this blog is dodging the bullets.
    This is as ugly as any time since the 1970s. The lack of leadership is appalling.
    McCain, the Republican nominee, is running as the opposition party — that’s how bad it is.
    Obama looks like a guy who had all his campaign speeches stolen. He doesn’t know what hit him. McCain is lionizing the working man, and demonizing Wall Street, and Palin is slamming Big Oil. And these are the Republicans.

    I’m voting for RR.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 17, 2008

  157. Kingofkaty–
    Okay, I’ll take the bait.
    Actually, I think GM is making a mistake. The Volt styling is so blah I could die.
    In Detroit, they just can’t think about sex and fuel economy at the same time. GM says anybody looking for an EV or high mpgs must be a 52-year-old unmarried aunt.
    The concept Volt was a bit sexy.
    This real Volt will cost about $10k more than otherwise, due to the battery.
    That $10k not a deal-breaker — look at the $70k BMWs, Mercedes, Cadillac Escalades etc thick on L.A. roadways. But those cars are sexy (to the buyers).
    The Volt will look like a $25k bubble-mobile compact, but sell for $35k. Maybe $40k.
    You have to be very practical and non-style conscious to buy this car — except if you are practical, you will buy a much cheaper Ford econocar.
    GM should have gone upscale, and made the Volt into a sexy, luxury sedan. You pay for the luxury of turning your nose up to those smelly gas stations. The Volt should be electrifying.
    The battery should be a luxury feature, for those-in-the-know.
    But, it is not to be. GM will be selling a bubble-car for a lot of money.
    For people who commute about 40 miles a day, the car may make sense, and they may buy it. I hope they do, and I think evey Volt is worth two tanks and one fighter plane, when it comes to national security.
    If gas prices rise above $5 a gallon, and the Volt battery works, we can expect EVs to commercialize rapidly. Maybe then we will see luxury EVs, and small sporty EVs.
    This first Volt is a bit left-footed. We will see how it sells.
    By the way, with all the bad financial and weather news, I hope everyone reading this blog is dodging the bullets.
    This is as ugly as any time since the 1970s. The lack of leadership is appalling.
    McCain, the Republican nominee, is running as the opposition party — that’s how bad it is.
    Obama looks like a guy who had all his campaign speeches stolen. He doesn’t know what hit him. McCain is lionizing the working man, and demonizing Wall Street, and Palin is slamming Big Oil. And these are the Republicans.

    I’m voting for RR.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 17, 2008

  158. Kingofkaty–
    Okay, I’ll take the bait.
    Actually, I think GM is making a mistake. The Volt styling is so blah I could die.
    In Detroit, they just can’t think about sex and fuel economy at the same time. GM says anybody looking for an EV or high mpgs must be a 52-year-old unmarried aunt.
    The concept Volt was a bit sexy.
    This real Volt will cost about $10k more than otherwise, due to the battery.
    That $10k not a deal-breaker — look at the $70k BMWs, Mercedes, Cadillac Escalades etc thick on L.A. roadways. But those cars are sexy (to the buyers).
    The Volt will look like a $25k bubble-mobile compact, but sell for $35k. Maybe $40k.
    You have to be very practical and non-style conscious to buy this car — except if you are practical, you will buy a much cheaper Ford econocar.
    GM should have gone upscale, and made the Volt into a sexy, luxury sedan. You pay for the luxury of turning your nose up to those smelly gas stations. The Volt should be electrifying.
    The battery should be a luxury feature, for those-in-the-know.
    But, it is not to be. GM will be selling a bubble-car for a lot of money.
    For people who commute about 40 miles a day, the car may make sense, and they may buy it. I hope they do, and I think evey Volt is worth two tanks and one fighter plane, when it comes to national security.
    If gas prices rise above $5 a gallon, and the Volt battery works, we can expect EVs to commercialize rapidly. Maybe then we will see luxury EVs, and small sporty EVs.
    This first Volt is a bit left-footed. We will see how it sells.
    By the way, with all the bad financial and weather news, I hope everyone reading this blog is dodging the bullets.
    This is as ugly as any time since the 1970s. The lack of leadership is appalling.
    McCain, the Republican nominee, is running as the opposition party — that’s how bad it is.
    Obama looks like a guy who had all his campaign speeches stolen. He doesn’t know what hit him. McCain is lionizing the working man, and demonizing Wall Street, and Palin is slamming Big Oil. And these are the Republicans.

    I’m voting for RR.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 17, 2008

  159. Kingofkaty–
    Okay, I’ll take the bait.
    Actually, I think GM is making a mistake. The Volt styling is so blah I could die.
    In Detroit, they just can’t think about sex and fuel economy at the same time. GM says anybody looking for an EV or high mpgs must be a 52-year-old unmarried aunt.
    The concept Volt was a bit sexy.
    This real Volt will cost about $10k more than otherwise, due to the battery.
    That $10k not a deal-breaker — look at the $70k BMWs, Mercedes, Cadillac Escalades etc thick on L.A. roadways. But those cars are sexy (to the buyers).
    The Volt will look like a $25k bubble-mobile compact, but sell for $35k. Maybe $40k.
    You have to be very practical and non-style conscious to buy this car — except if you are practical, you will buy a much cheaper Ford econocar.
    GM should have gone upscale, and made the Volt into a sexy, luxury sedan. You pay for the luxury of turning your nose up to those smelly gas stations. The Volt should be electrifying.
    The battery should be a luxury feature, for those-in-the-know.
    But, it is not to be. GM will be selling a bubble-car for a lot of money.
    For people who commute about 40 miles a day, the car may make sense, and they may buy it. I hope they do, and I think evey Volt is worth two tanks and one fighter plane, when it comes to national security.
    If gas prices rise above $5 a gallon, and the Volt battery works, we can expect EVs to commercialize rapidly. Maybe then we will see luxury EVs, and small sporty EVs.
    This first Volt is a bit left-footed. We will see how it sells.
    By the way, with all the bad financial and weather news, I hope everyone reading this blog is dodging the bullets.
    This is as ugly as any time since the 1970s. The lack of leadership is appalling.
    McCain, the Republican nominee, is running as the opposition party — that’s how bad it is.
    Obama looks like a guy who had all his campaign speeches stolen. He doesn’t know what hit him. McCain is lionizing the working man, and demonizing Wall Street, and Palin is slamming Big Oil. And these are the Republicans.

    I’m voting for RR.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 17, 2008

  160. Kingofkaty–
    Okay, I’ll take the bait.
    Actually, I think GM is making a mistake. The Volt styling is so blah I could die.
    In Detroit, they just can’t think about sex and fuel economy at the same time. GM says anybody looking for an EV or high mpgs must be a 52-year-old unmarried aunt.
    The concept Volt was a bit sexy.
    This real Volt will cost about $10k more than otherwise, due to the battery.
    That $10k not a deal-breaker — look at the $70k BMWs, Mercedes, Cadillac Escalades etc thick on L.A. roadways. But those cars are sexy (to the buyers).
    The Volt will look like a $25k bubble-mobile compact, but sell for $35k. Maybe $40k.
    You have to be very practical and non-style conscious to buy this car — except if you are practical, you will buy a much cheaper Ford econocar.
    GM should have gone upscale, and made the Volt into a sexy, luxury sedan. You pay for the luxury of turning your nose up to those smelly gas stations. The Volt should be electrifying.
    The battery should be a luxury feature, for those-in-the-know.
    But, it is not to be. GM will be selling a bubble-car for a lot of money.
    For people who commute about 40 miles a day, the car may make sense, and they may buy it. I hope they do, and I think evey Volt is worth two tanks and one fighter plane, when it comes to national security.
    If gas prices rise above $5 a gallon, and the Volt battery works, we can expect EVs to commercialize rapidly. Maybe then we will see luxury EVs, and small sporty EVs.
    This first Volt is a bit left-footed. We will see how it sells.
    By the way, with all the bad financial and weather news, I hope everyone reading this blog is dodging the bullets.
    This is as ugly as any time since the 1970s. The lack of leadership is appalling.
    McCain, the Republican nominee, is running as the opposition party — that’s how bad it is.
    Obama looks like a guy who had all his campaign speeches stolen. He doesn’t know what hit him. McCain is lionizing the working man, and demonizing Wall Street, and Palin is slamming Big Oil. And these are the Republicans.

    I’m voting for RR.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 17, 2008

  161. Kingofkaty–Okay, I’ll take the bait.Actually, I think GM is making a mistake. The Volt styling is so blah I could die. In Detroit, they just can’t think about sex and fuel economy at the same time. GM says anybody looking for an EV or high mpgs must be a 52-year-old unmarried aunt. The concept Volt was a bit sexy.This real Volt will cost about $10k more than otherwise, due to the battery. That $10k not a deal-breaker — look at the $70k BMWs, Mercedes, Cadillac Escalades etc thick on L.A. roadways. But those cars are sexy (to the buyers). The Volt will look like a $25k bubble-mobile compact, but sell for $35k. Maybe $40k.You have to be very practical and non-style conscious to buy this car — except if you are practical, you will buy a much cheaper Ford econocar.GM should have gone upscale, and made the Volt into a sexy, luxury sedan. You pay for the luxury of turning your nose up to those smelly gas stations. The Volt should be electrifying.The battery should be a luxury feature, for those-in-the-know.But, it is not to be. GM will be selling a bubble-car for a lot of money.For people who commute about 40 miles a day, the car may make sense, and they may buy it. I hope they do, and I think evey Volt is worth two tanks and one fighter plane, when it comes to national security.If gas prices rise above $5 a gallon, and the Volt battery works, we can expect EVs to commercialize rapidly. Maybe then we will see luxury EVs, and small sporty EVs. This first Volt is a bit left-footed. We will see how it sells.By the way, with all the bad financial and weather news, I hope everyone reading this blog is dodging the bullets. This is as ugly as any time since the 1970s. The lack of leadership is appalling. McCain, the Republican nominee, is running as the opposition party — that’s how bad it is. Obama looks like a guy who had all his campaign speeches stolen. He doesn’t know what hit him. McCain is lionizing the working man, and demonizing Wall Street, and Palin is slamming Big Oil. And these are the Republicans.I’m voting for RR.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 17, 2008

  162. Benny, the schoolboy-sketch Volt concept never had a prayer of seeing production. The concept body wasn’t even designed by the Volt team, they hijacked it at the last minute so Bob Lutz would have something to stand in front of while he talked. It was a mistake. They could have designed a decent looking, aerodynamically correct production car starting from a clean sheet, but they were stuck with what they’d already shown. So they tried to glom a few styling cues from the concept-car onto an aerodynamic body.

    Should they have gone upscale? How many LS600h’s does Toyota sell? An E-Flex Caddy would cost $55k instead of 35k and GM would sell one tenth as many. That’s no way to have a meaningful impact.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 17, 2008

  163. Benny, the schoolboy-sketch Volt concept never had a prayer of seeing production. The concept body wasn’t even designed by the Volt team, they hijacked it at the last minute so Bob Lutz would have something to stand in front of while he talked. It was a mistake. They could have designed a decent looking, aerodynamically correct production car starting from a clean sheet, but they were stuck with what they’d already shown. So they tried to glom a few styling cues from the concept-car onto an aerodynamic body.

    Should they have gone upscale? How many LS600h’s does Toyota sell? An E-Flex Caddy would cost $55k instead of 35k and GM would sell one tenth as many. That’s no way to have a meaningful impact.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 17, 2008

  164. Benny, the schoolboy-sketch Volt concept never had a prayer of seeing production. The concept body wasn’t even designed by the Volt team, they hijacked it at the last minute so Bob Lutz would have something to stand in front of while he talked. It was a mistake. They could have designed a decent looking, aerodynamically correct production car starting from a clean sheet, but they were stuck with what they’d already shown. So they tried to glom a few styling cues from the concept-car onto an aerodynamic body.

    Should they have gone upscale? How many LS600h’s does Toyota sell? An E-Flex Caddy would cost $55k instead of 35k and GM would sell one tenth as many. That’s no way to have a meaningful impact.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 17, 2008

  165. Benny, the schoolboy-sketch Volt concept never had a prayer of seeing production. The concept body wasn’t even designed by the Volt team, they hijacked it at the last minute so Bob Lutz would have something to stand in front of while he talked. It was a mistake. They could have designed a decent looking, aerodynamically correct production car starting from a clean sheet, but they were stuck with what they’d already shown. So they tried to glom a few styling cues from the concept-car onto an aerodynamic body.

    Should they have gone upscale? How many LS600h’s does Toyota sell? An E-Flex Caddy would cost $55k instead of 35k and GM would sell one tenth as many. That’s no way to have a meaningful impact.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 17, 2008

  166. Benny, the schoolboy-sketch Volt concept never had a prayer of seeing production. The concept body wasn’t even designed by the Volt team, they hijacked it at the last minute so Bob Lutz would have something to stand in front of while he talked. It was a mistake. They could have designed a decent looking, aerodynamically correct production car starting from a clean sheet, but they were stuck with what they’d already shown. So they tried to glom a few styling cues from the concept-car onto an aerodynamic body.

    Should they have gone upscale? How many LS600h’s does Toyota sell? An E-Flex Caddy would cost $55k instead of 35k and GM would sell one tenth as many. That’s no way to have a meaningful impact.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 17, 2008

  167. Benny, the schoolboy-sketch Volt concept never had a prayer of seeing production. The concept body wasn’t even designed by the Volt team, they hijacked it at the last minute so Bob Lutz would have something to stand in front of while he talked. It was a mistake. They could have designed a decent looking, aerodynamically correct production car starting from a clean sheet, but they were stuck with what they’d already shown. So they tried to glom a few styling cues from the concept-car onto an aerodynamic body.

    Should they have gone upscale? How many LS600h’s does Toyota sell? An E-Flex Caddy would cost $55k instead of 35k and GM would sell one tenth as many. That’s no way to have a meaningful impact.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 17, 2008

  168. Benny, the schoolboy-sketch Volt concept never had a prayer of seeing production. The concept body wasn’t even designed by the Volt team, they hijacked it at the last minute so Bob Lutz would have something to stand in front of while he talked. It was a mistake. They could have designed a decent looking, aerodynamically correct production car starting from a clean sheet, but they were stuck with what they’d already shown. So they tried to glom a few styling cues from the concept-car onto an aerodynamic body.Should they have gone upscale? How many LS600h’s does Toyota sell? An E-Flex Caddy would cost $55k instead of 35k and GM would sell one tenth as many. That’s no way to have a meaningful impact.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 17, 2008

  169. Doggy-
    I don’t know squat abut cars and price points. But, jeez look around. People spend big money on sexy cars. Huge SUVs, Cadillacs, MBs, BMWs. Corvettes.
    Maybe a sexy Volt would not sell, at $50k, like you say.
    I gotta wonder if a $40k bubble-bore econobox will sell either.
    The only thing that will make the Volt sell now is $6 a gallon gas. Maybe that will happen.
    My guess is that EVs have a huge future. If the Volt works, it is an engineering marvel. A terrific mass-production accomplishment.
    But Detroit has to make it look fun, sexy, cutting edge to win commercial fame.
    At $4 a gallon, who would buy a Volt?
    Especially, if regular ICEs come along and get 40 mph? Sheesh, we were making econobox ICEs back in the early 1980s that were getting 45 mph.
    The old Nash Metropolitans (1950s) got more than 30 mpg if you stayed under 60 mph.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 18, 2008

  170. Doggy-
    I don’t know squat abut cars and price points. But, jeez look around. People spend big money on sexy cars. Huge SUVs, Cadillacs, MBs, BMWs. Corvettes.
    Maybe a sexy Volt would not sell, at $50k, like you say.
    I gotta wonder if a $40k bubble-bore econobox will sell either.
    The only thing that will make the Volt sell now is $6 a gallon gas. Maybe that will happen.
    My guess is that EVs have a huge future. If the Volt works, it is an engineering marvel. A terrific mass-production accomplishment.
    But Detroit has to make it look fun, sexy, cutting edge to win commercial fame.
    At $4 a gallon, who would buy a Volt?
    Especially, if regular ICEs come along and get 40 mph? Sheesh, we were making econobox ICEs back in the early 1980s that were getting 45 mph.
    The old Nash Metropolitans (1950s) got more than 30 mpg if you stayed under 60 mph.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 18, 2008

  171. Doggy-
    I don’t know squat abut cars and price points. But, jeez look around. People spend big money on sexy cars. Huge SUVs, Cadillacs, MBs, BMWs. Corvettes.
    Maybe a sexy Volt would not sell, at $50k, like you say.
    I gotta wonder if a $40k bubble-bore econobox will sell either.
    The only thing that will make the Volt sell now is $6 a gallon gas. Maybe that will happen.
    My guess is that EVs have a huge future. If the Volt works, it is an engineering marvel. A terrific mass-production accomplishment.
    But Detroit has to make it look fun, sexy, cutting edge to win commercial fame.
    At $4 a gallon, who would buy a Volt?
    Especially, if regular ICEs come along and get 40 mph? Sheesh, we were making econobox ICEs back in the early 1980s that were getting 45 mph.
    The old Nash Metropolitans (1950s) got more than 30 mpg if you stayed under 60 mph.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 18, 2008

  172. Doggy-
    I don’t know squat abut cars and price points. But, jeez look around. People spend big money on sexy cars. Huge SUVs, Cadillacs, MBs, BMWs. Corvettes.
    Maybe a sexy Volt would not sell, at $50k, like you say.
    I gotta wonder if a $40k bubble-bore econobox will sell either.
    The only thing that will make the Volt sell now is $6 a gallon gas. Maybe that will happen.
    My guess is that EVs have a huge future. If the Volt works, it is an engineering marvel. A terrific mass-production accomplishment.
    But Detroit has to make it look fun, sexy, cutting edge to win commercial fame.
    At $4 a gallon, who would buy a Volt?
    Especially, if regular ICEs come along and get 40 mph? Sheesh, we were making econobox ICEs back in the early 1980s that were getting 45 mph.
    The old Nash Metropolitans (1950s) got more than 30 mpg if you stayed under 60 mph.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 18, 2008

  173. Doggy-
    I don’t know squat abut cars and price points. But, jeez look around. People spend big money on sexy cars. Huge SUVs, Cadillacs, MBs, BMWs. Corvettes.
    Maybe a sexy Volt would not sell, at $50k, like you say.
    I gotta wonder if a $40k bubble-bore econobox will sell either.
    The only thing that will make the Volt sell now is $6 a gallon gas. Maybe that will happen.
    My guess is that EVs have a huge future. If the Volt works, it is an engineering marvel. A terrific mass-production accomplishment.
    But Detroit has to make it look fun, sexy, cutting edge to win commercial fame.
    At $4 a gallon, who would buy a Volt?
    Especially, if regular ICEs come along and get 40 mph? Sheesh, we were making econobox ICEs back in the early 1980s that were getting 45 mph.
    The old Nash Metropolitans (1950s) got more than 30 mpg if you stayed under 60 mph.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 18, 2008

  174. Doggy-
    I don’t know squat abut cars and price points. But, jeez look around. People spend big money on sexy cars. Huge SUVs, Cadillacs, MBs, BMWs. Corvettes.
    Maybe a sexy Volt would not sell, at $50k, like you say.
    I gotta wonder if a $40k bubble-bore econobox will sell either.
    The only thing that will make the Volt sell now is $6 a gallon gas. Maybe that will happen.
    My guess is that EVs have a huge future. If the Volt works, it is an engineering marvel. A terrific mass-production accomplishment.
    But Detroit has to make it look fun, sexy, cutting edge to win commercial fame.
    At $4 a gallon, who would buy a Volt?
    Especially, if regular ICEs come along and get 40 mph? Sheesh, we were making econobox ICEs back in the early 1980s that were getting 45 mph.
    The old Nash Metropolitans (1950s) got more than 30 mpg if you stayed under 60 mph.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 18, 2008

  175. Doggy-I don’t know squat abut cars and price points. But, jeez look around. People spend big money on sexy cars. Huge SUVs, Cadillacs, MBs, BMWs. Corvettes. Maybe a sexy Volt would not sell, at $50k, like you say.I gotta wonder if a $40k bubble-bore econobox will sell either. The only thing that will make the Volt sell now is $6 a gallon gas. Maybe that will happen.My guess is that EVs have a huge future. If the Volt works, it is an engineering marvel. A terrific mass-production accomplishment. But Detroit has to make it look fun, sexy, cutting edge to win commercial fame.At $4 a gallon, who would buy a Volt? Especially, if regular ICEs come along and get 40 mph? Sheesh, we were making econobox ICEs back in the early 1980s that were getting 45 mph.The old Nash Metropolitans (1950s) got more than 30 mpg if you stayed under 60 mph.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 18, 2008

  176. Wait Benny, so is your issue with the Volt merely the appearance of it?

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  177. Wait Benny, so is your issue with the Volt merely the appearance of it?

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  178. Wait Benny, so is your issue with the Volt merely the appearance of it?

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  179. Wait Benny, so is your issue with the Volt merely the appearance of it?

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  180. Wait Benny, so is your issue with the Volt merely the appearance of it?

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  181. Wait Benny, so is your issue with the Volt merely the appearance of it?

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  182. Wait Benny, so is your issue with the Volt merely the appearance of it?

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  183. The owner that wouldn’t buy the $5 gas opened his pumps today with $3.49 regular. That’s the lowest this area’s seen since oil was $120….and on its way to $147.

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  184. The owner that wouldn’t buy the $5 gas opened his pumps today with $3.49 regular. That’s the lowest this area’s seen since oil was $120….and on its way to $147.

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  185. The owner that wouldn’t buy the $5 gas opened his pumps today with $3.49 regular. That’s the lowest this area’s seen since oil was $120….and on its way to $147.

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  186. The owner that wouldn’t buy the $5 gas opened his pumps today with $3.49 regular. That’s the lowest this area’s seen since oil was $120….and on its way to $147.

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  187. The owner that wouldn’t buy the $5 gas opened his pumps today with $3.49 regular. That’s the lowest this area’s seen since oil was $120….and on its way to $147.

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  188. The owner that wouldn’t buy the $5 gas opened his pumps today with $3.49 regular. That’s the lowest this area’s seen since oil was $120….and on its way to $147.

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  189. The owner that wouldn’t buy the $5 gas opened his pumps today with $3.49 regular. That’s the lowest this area’s seen since oil was $120….and on its way to $147.

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  190. Benny said: The Volt will look like a $25k bubble-mobile compact

    Sort of like the Toyota Pious

    You have to be very practical and non-style conscious to buy this car

    Like the typical Pious owner.

    except if you are practical, you will buy a much cheaper Ford econocar.

    Unlike the Pious owner who has no clue how to run economics.

    GM should have gone upscale, and made the Volt into a sexy, luxury sedan.

    That would make it the Tesla.

    Seriously Benny. I don’t think the production model looks that bad – certainly not as cool as the concept version. But everyone was afraid it would look too much like a Pious. Not so much. It does have a modified Kammback design. GM says it will integrate the GPS into the fuel management system (great idea).

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  191. Benny said: The Volt will look like a $25k bubble-mobile compact

    Sort of like the Toyota Pious

    You have to be very practical and non-style conscious to buy this car

    Like the typical Pious owner.

    except if you are practical, you will buy a much cheaper Ford econocar.

    Unlike the Pious owner who has no clue how to run economics.

    GM should have gone upscale, and made the Volt into a sexy, luxury sedan.

    That would make it the Tesla.

    Seriously Benny. I don’t think the production model looks that bad – certainly not as cool as the concept version. But everyone was afraid it would look too much like a Pious. Not so much. It does have a modified Kammback design. GM says it will integrate the GPS into the fuel management system (great idea).

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  192. Benny said: The Volt will look like a $25k bubble-mobile compact

    Sort of like the Toyota Pious

    You have to be very practical and non-style conscious to buy this car

    Like the typical Pious owner.

    except if you are practical, you will buy a much cheaper Ford econocar.

    Unlike the Pious owner who has no clue how to run economics.

    GM should have gone upscale, and made the Volt into a sexy, luxury sedan.

    That would make it the Tesla.

    Seriously Benny. I don’t think the production model looks that bad – certainly not as cool as the concept version. But everyone was afraid it would look too much like a Pious. Not so much. It does have a modified Kammback design. GM says it will integrate the GPS into the fuel management system (great idea).

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  193. Benny said: The Volt will look like a $25k bubble-mobile compact

    Sort of like the Toyota Pious

    You have to be very practical and non-style conscious to buy this car

    Like the typical Pious owner.

    except if you are practical, you will buy a much cheaper Ford econocar.

    Unlike the Pious owner who has no clue how to run economics.

    GM should have gone upscale, and made the Volt into a sexy, luxury sedan.

    That would make it the Tesla.

    Seriously Benny. I don’t think the production model looks that bad – certainly not as cool as the concept version. But everyone was afraid it would look too much like a Pious. Not so much. It does have a modified Kammback design. GM says it will integrate the GPS into the fuel management system (great idea).

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  194. Benny said: The Volt will look like a $25k bubble-mobile compact

    Sort of like the Toyota Pious

    You have to be very practical and non-style conscious to buy this car

    Like the typical Pious owner.

    except if you are practical, you will buy a much cheaper Ford econocar.

    Unlike the Pious owner who has no clue how to run economics.

    GM should have gone upscale, and made the Volt into a sexy, luxury sedan.

    That would make it the Tesla.

    Seriously Benny. I don’t think the production model looks that bad – certainly not as cool as the concept version. But everyone was afraid it would look too much like a Pious. Not so much. It does have a modified Kammback design. GM says it will integrate the GPS into the fuel management system (great idea).

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  195. Benny said: The Volt will look like a $25k bubble-mobile compact

    Sort of like the Toyota Pious

    You have to be very practical and non-style conscious to buy this car

    Like the typical Pious owner.

    except if you are practical, you will buy a much cheaper Ford econocar.

    Unlike the Pious owner who has no clue how to run economics.

    GM should have gone upscale, and made the Volt into a sexy, luxury sedan.

    That would make it the Tesla.

    Seriously Benny. I don’t think the production model looks that bad – certainly not as cool as the concept version. But everyone was afraid it would look too much like a Pious. Not so much. It does have a modified Kammback design. GM says it will integrate the GPS into the fuel management system (great idea).

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  196. Benny said: The Volt will look like a $25k bubble-mobile compact Sort of like the Toyota Pious You have to be very practical and non-style conscious to buy this car Like the typical Pious owner. except if you are practical, you will buy a much cheaper Ford econocar. Unlike the Pious owner who has no clue how to run economics. GM should have gone upscale, and made the Volt into a sexy, luxury sedan. That would make it the Tesla. Seriously Benny. I don’t think the production model looks that bad – certainly not as cool as the concept version. But everyone was afraid it would look too much like a Pious. Not so much. It does have a modified Kammback design. GM says it will integrate the GPS into the fuel management system (great idea).

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  197. I agree, I do not think the production model looks all that bad. I’m actually looking forward to hopefully buying it in 2 years.

    That is why I was asking Benny if that was his big thing he saw wrong with the Volt.

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  198. I agree, I do not think the production model looks all that bad. I’m actually looking forward to hopefully buying it in 2 years.

    That is why I was asking Benny if that was his big thing he saw wrong with the Volt.

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  199. I agree, I do not think the production model looks all that bad. I’m actually looking forward to hopefully buying it in 2 years.

    That is why I was asking Benny if that was his big thing he saw wrong with the Volt.

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  200. I agree, I do not think the production model looks all that bad. I’m actually looking forward to hopefully buying it in 2 years.

    That is why I was asking Benny if that was his big thing he saw wrong with the Volt.

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  201. I agree, I do not think the production model looks all that bad. I’m actually looking forward to hopefully buying it in 2 years.

    That is why I was asking Benny if that was his big thing he saw wrong with the Volt.

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  202. I agree, I do not think the production model looks all that bad. I’m actually looking forward to hopefully buying it in 2 years.

    That is why I was asking Benny if that was his big thing he saw wrong with the Volt.

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  203. I agree, I do not think the production model looks all that bad. I’m actually looking forward to hopefully buying it in 2 years.That is why I was asking Benny if that was his big thing he saw wrong with the Volt.

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  204. Also, when it is all said and done, how much do you really think the Volt will cost?

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  205. Also, when it is all said and done, how much do you really think the Volt will cost?

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  206. Also, when it is all said and done, how much do you really think the Volt will cost?

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  207. Also, when it is all said and done, how much do you really think the Volt will cost?

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  208. Also, when it is all said and done, how much do you really think the Volt will cost?

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  209. Also, when it is all said and done, how much do you really think the Volt will cost?

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  210. Also, when it is all said and done, how much do you really think the Volt will cost?

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  211. Caddy could sell $50k+ sexy Volts, they just couldn’t sell 100,000+ per year. GM’s goal has always been to leapfrog Toyota, who will sell 250k hybrids in the US this year, 2/3rds are Priuses. They’ll sell a lot more next year (assuming they fix their battery supply problem). You can’t take them on with a 5-10k unit niche-mobile.

    The $40k+ numbers you hear are based on Lutz comments about first year, low volume production. There’s some padding in there — e.g. Lutz said they budget one battery replacement under warranty for every car. EVs are dead if that actually happens and battery makers swear it will not. But GM is angling for tax credits and gov’t loans. And since they could pre-sell all 10,000 2011 models at $39,995 tomorrow, there’s not much incentive to talk down the price.

    Real production (60k 2012s and 100k+ 2013s) will probably be the cost-reduced 2nd gen drivetrain. Remember the 2nd gen Prius? It was bigger, faster and got higher MPG than Gen 1 yet it cost Toyota LESS to make. GM knows they have to get customer cost (after tax credits) below $30k to sell in high volume. They just want to lose as little money as possible in the meantime.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 18, 2008

  212. Caddy could sell $50k+ sexy Volts, they just couldn’t sell 100,000+ per year. GM’s goal has always been to leapfrog Toyota, who will sell 250k hybrids in the US this year, 2/3rds are Priuses. They’ll sell a lot more next year (assuming they fix their battery supply problem). You can’t take them on with a 5-10k unit niche-mobile.

    The $40k+ numbers you hear are based on Lutz comments about first year, low volume production. There’s some padding in there — e.g. Lutz said they budget one battery replacement under warranty for every car. EVs are dead if that actually happens and battery makers swear it will not. But GM is angling for tax credits and gov’t loans. And since they could pre-sell all 10,000 2011 models at $39,995 tomorrow, there’s not much incentive to talk down the price.

    Real production (60k 2012s and 100k+ 2013s) will probably be the cost-reduced 2nd gen drivetrain. Remember the 2nd gen Prius? It was bigger, faster and got higher MPG than Gen 1 yet it cost Toyota LESS to make. GM knows they have to get customer cost (after tax credits) below $30k to sell in high volume. They just want to lose as little money as possible in the meantime.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 18, 2008

  213. Caddy could sell $50k+ sexy Volts, they just couldn’t sell 100,000+ per year. GM’s goal has always been to leapfrog Toyota, who will sell 250k hybrids in the US this year, 2/3rds are Priuses. They’ll sell a lot more next year (assuming they fix their battery supply problem). You can’t take them on with a 5-10k unit niche-mobile.

    The $40k+ numbers you hear are based on Lutz comments about first year, low volume production. There’s some padding in there — e.g. Lutz said they budget one battery replacement under warranty for every car. EVs are dead if that actually happens and battery makers swear it will not. But GM is angling for tax credits and gov’t loans. And since they could pre-sell all 10,000 2011 models at $39,995 tomorrow, there’s not much incentive to talk down the price.

    Real production (60k 2012s and 100k+ 2013s) will probably be the cost-reduced 2nd gen drivetrain. Remember the 2nd gen Prius? It was bigger, faster and got higher MPG than Gen 1 yet it cost Toyota LESS to make. GM knows they have to get customer cost (after tax credits) below $30k to sell in high volume. They just want to lose as little money as possible in the meantime.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 18, 2008

  214. Caddy could sell $50k+ sexy Volts, they just couldn’t sell 100,000+ per year. GM’s goal has always been to leapfrog Toyota, who will sell 250k hybrids in the US this year, 2/3rds are Priuses. They’ll sell a lot more next year (assuming they fix their battery supply problem). You can’t take them on with a 5-10k unit niche-mobile.

    The $40k+ numbers you hear are based on Lutz comments about first year, low volume production. There’s some padding in there — e.g. Lutz said they budget one battery replacement under warranty for every car. EVs are dead if that actually happens and battery makers swear it will not. But GM is angling for tax credits and gov’t loans. And since they could pre-sell all 10,000 2011 models at $39,995 tomorrow, there’s not much incentive to talk down the price.

    Real production (60k 2012s and 100k+ 2013s) will probably be the cost-reduced 2nd gen drivetrain. Remember the 2nd gen Prius? It was bigger, faster and got higher MPG than Gen 1 yet it cost Toyota LESS to make. GM knows they have to get customer cost (after tax credits) below $30k to sell in high volume. They just want to lose as little money as possible in the meantime.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 18, 2008

  215. Caddy could sell $50k+ sexy Volts, they just couldn’t sell 100,000+ per year. GM’s goal has always been to leapfrog Toyota, who will sell 250k hybrids in the US this year, 2/3rds are Priuses. They’ll sell a lot more next year (assuming they fix their battery supply problem). You can’t take them on with a 5-10k unit niche-mobile.

    The $40k+ numbers you hear are based on Lutz comments about first year, low volume production. There’s some padding in there — e.g. Lutz said they budget one battery replacement under warranty for every car. EVs are dead if that actually happens and battery makers swear it will not. But GM is angling for tax credits and gov’t loans. And since they could pre-sell all 10,000 2011 models at $39,995 tomorrow, there’s not much incentive to talk down the price.

    Real production (60k 2012s and 100k+ 2013s) will probably be the cost-reduced 2nd gen drivetrain. Remember the 2nd gen Prius? It was bigger, faster and got higher MPG than Gen 1 yet it cost Toyota LESS to make. GM knows they have to get customer cost (after tax credits) below $30k to sell in high volume. They just want to lose as little money as possible in the meantime.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 18, 2008

  216. Caddy could sell $50k+ sexy Volts, they just couldn’t sell 100,000+ per year. GM’s goal has always been to leapfrog Toyota, who will sell 250k hybrids in the US this year, 2/3rds are Priuses. They’ll sell a lot more next year (assuming they fix their battery supply problem). You can’t take them on with a 5-10k unit niche-mobile.

    The $40k+ numbers you hear are based on Lutz comments about first year, low volume production. There’s some padding in there — e.g. Lutz said they budget one battery replacement under warranty for every car. EVs are dead if that actually happens and battery makers swear it will not. But GM is angling for tax credits and gov’t loans. And since they could pre-sell all 10,000 2011 models at $39,995 tomorrow, there’s not much incentive to talk down the price.

    Real production (60k 2012s and 100k+ 2013s) will probably be the cost-reduced 2nd gen drivetrain. Remember the 2nd gen Prius? It was bigger, faster and got higher MPG than Gen 1 yet it cost Toyota LESS to make. GM knows they have to get customer cost (after tax credits) below $30k to sell in high volume. They just want to lose as little money as possible in the meantime.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 18, 2008

  217. Caddy could sell $50k+ sexy Volts, they just couldn’t sell 100,000+ per year. GM’s goal has always been to leapfrog Toyota, who will sell 250k hybrids in the US this year, 2/3rds are Priuses. They’ll sell a lot more next year (assuming they fix their battery supply problem). You can’t take them on with a 5-10k unit niche-mobile.

    The $40k+ numbers you hear are based on Lutz comments about first year, low volume production. There’s some padding in there — e.g. Lutz said they budget one battery replacement under warranty for every car. EVs are dead if that actually happens and battery makers swear it will not. But GM is angling for tax credits and gov’t loans. And since they could pre-sell all 10,000 2011 models at $39,995 tomorrow, there’s not much incentive to talk down the price.

    Real production (60k 2012s and 100k+ 2013s) will probably be the cost-reduced 2nd gen drivetrain. Remember the 2nd gen Prius? It was bigger, faster and got higher MPG than Gen 1 yet it cost Toyota LESS to make. GM knows they have to get customer cost (after tax credits) below $30k to sell in high volume. They just want to lose as little money as possible in the meantime.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 18, 2008

  218. Caddy could sell $50k+ sexy Volts, they just couldn’t sell 100,000+ per year. GM’s goal has always been to leapfrog Toyota, who will sell 250k hybrids in the US this year, 2/3rds are Priuses. They’ll sell a lot more next year (assuming they fix their battery supply problem). You can’t take them on with a 5-10k unit niche-mobile.The $40k+ numbers you hear are based on Lutz comments about first year, low volume production. There’s some padding in there — e.g. Lutz said they budget one battery replacement under warranty for every car. EVs are dead if that actually happens and battery makers swear it will not. But GM is angling for tax credits and gov’t loans. And since they could pre-sell all 10,000 2011 models at $39,995 tomorrow, there’s not much incentive to talk down the price. Real production (60k 2012s and 100k+ 2013s) will probably be the cost-reduced 2nd gen drivetrain. Remember the 2nd gen Prius? It was bigger, faster and got higher MPG than Gen 1 yet it cost Toyota LESS to make. GM knows they have to get customer cost (after tax credits) below $30k to sell in high volume. They just want to lose as little money as possible in the meantime.

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 18, 2008

  219. The Volt would need to sell for somewhere in the $30-$40k range to achieve any kind of market success.

    The conventional Pious sells for around $22k, with $10k needed to convert to a PHEV. That seems pretty comparable.

    The EV1’s imputed cost from the lease payments were $34k-$44k in 1996 $. So $40k for the Volt wouldn’t be unreasonable.

    Does anyone know what the Cd of the production Volt is? I have to think that was a major consideration in restyling the Volt.

    I’ve heard that the EPA may be screwing up the Volt by mandating the way the EPA highway mileage is calculated. If EPA gets its way, the Volt’s mileage would end up around 50 mpg measured like a conventional hybrid, rather than a range-extended vehicle. The Volt would get NO credit for the stored electricity in its batteries and the fact that it runs without gasoline for the first 40 miles or so.

    No good deed goes unpunished by the Gov’t.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  220. The Volt would need to sell for somewhere in the $30-$40k range to achieve any kind of market success.

    The conventional Pious sells for around $22k, with $10k needed to convert to a PHEV. That seems pretty comparable.

    The EV1’s imputed cost from the lease payments were $34k-$44k in 1996 $. So $40k for the Volt wouldn’t be unreasonable.

    Does anyone know what the Cd of the production Volt is? I have to think that was a major consideration in restyling the Volt.

    I’ve heard that the EPA may be screwing up the Volt by mandating the way the EPA highway mileage is calculated. If EPA gets its way, the Volt’s mileage would end up around 50 mpg measured like a conventional hybrid, rather than a range-extended vehicle. The Volt would get NO credit for the stored electricity in its batteries and the fact that it runs without gasoline for the first 40 miles or so.

    No good deed goes unpunished by the Gov’t.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  221. The Volt would need to sell for somewhere in the $30-$40k range to achieve any kind of market success.

    The conventional Pious sells for around $22k, with $10k needed to convert to a PHEV. That seems pretty comparable.

    The EV1’s imputed cost from the lease payments were $34k-$44k in 1996 $. So $40k for the Volt wouldn’t be unreasonable.

    Does anyone know what the Cd of the production Volt is? I have to think that was a major consideration in restyling the Volt.

    I’ve heard that the EPA may be screwing up the Volt by mandating the way the EPA highway mileage is calculated. If EPA gets its way, the Volt’s mileage would end up around 50 mpg measured like a conventional hybrid, rather than a range-extended vehicle. The Volt would get NO credit for the stored electricity in its batteries and the fact that it runs without gasoline for the first 40 miles or so.

    No good deed goes unpunished by the Gov’t.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  222. The Volt would need to sell for somewhere in the $30-$40k range to achieve any kind of market success.

    The conventional Pious sells for around $22k, with $10k needed to convert to a PHEV. That seems pretty comparable.

    The EV1’s imputed cost from the lease payments were $34k-$44k in 1996 $. So $40k for the Volt wouldn’t be unreasonable.

    Does anyone know what the Cd of the production Volt is? I have to think that was a major consideration in restyling the Volt.

    I’ve heard that the EPA may be screwing up the Volt by mandating the way the EPA highway mileage is calculated. If EPA gets its way, the Volt’s mileage would end up around 50 mpg measured like a conventional hybrid, rather than a range-extended vehicle. The Volt would get NO credit for the stored electricity in its batteries and the fact that it runs without gasoline for the first 40 miles or so.

    No good deed goes unpunished by the Gov’t.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  223. The Volt would need to sell for somewhere in the $30-$40k range to achieve any kind of market success.

    The conventional Pious sells for around $22k, with $10k needed to convert to a PHEV. That seems pretty comparable.

    The EV1’s imputed cost from the lease payments were $34k-$44k in 1996 $. So $40k for the Volt wouldn’t be unreasonable.

    Does anyone know what the Cd of the production Volt is? I have to think that was a major consideration in restyling the Volt.

    I’ve heard that the EPA may be screwing up the Volt by mandating the way the EPA highway mileage is calculated. If EPA gets its way, the Volt’s mileage would end up around 50 mpg measured like a conventional hybrid, rather than a range-extended vehicle. The Volt would get NO credit for the stored electricity in its batteries and the fact that it runs without gasoline for the first 40 miles or so.

    No good deed goes unpunished by the Gov’t.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  224. The Volt would need to sell for somewhere in the $30-$40k range to achieve any kind of market success.

    The conventional Pious sells for around $22k, with $10k needed to convert to a PHEV. That seems pretty comparable.

    The EV1’s imputed cost from the lease payments were $34k-$44k in 1996 $. So $40k for the Volt wouldn’t be unreasonable.

    Does anyone know what the Cd of the production Volt is? I have to think that was a major consideration in restyling the Volt.

    I’ve heard that the EPA may be screwing up the Volt by mandating the way the EPA highway mileage is calculated. If EPA gets its way, the Volt’s mileage would end up around 50 mpg measured like a conventional hybrid, rather than a range-extended vehicle. The Volt would get NO credit for the stored electricity in its batteries and the fact that it runs without gasoline for the first 40 miles or so.

    No good deed goes unpunished by the Gov’t.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  225. The Volt would need to sell for somewhere in the $30-$40k range to achieve any kind of market success.

    The conventional Pious sells for around $22k, with $10k needed to convert to a PHEV. That seems pretty comparable.

    The EV1’s imputed cost from the lease payments were $34k-$44k in 1996 $. So $40k for the Volt wouldn’t be unreasonable.

    Does anyone know what the Cd of the production Volt is? I have to think that was a major consideration in restyling the Volt.

    I’ve heard that the EPA may be screwing up the Volt by mandating the way the EPA highway mileage is calculated. If EPA gets its way, the Volt’s mileage would end up around 50 mpg measured like a conventional hybrid, rather than a range-extended vehicle. The Volt would get NO credit for the stored electricity in its batteries and the fact that it runs without gasoline for the first 40 miles or so.

    No good deed goes unpunished by the Gov’t.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  226. The Volt would need to sell for somewhere in the $30-$40k range to achieve any kind of market success. The conventional Pious sells for around $22k, with $10k needed to convert to a PHEV. That seems pretty comparable. The EV1’s imputed cost from the lease payments were $34k-$44k in 1996 $. So $40k for the Volt wouldn’t be unreasonable. Does anyone know what the Cd of the production Volt is? I have to think that was a major consideration in restyling the Volt. I’ve heard that the EPA may be screwing up the Volt by mandating the way the EPA highway mileage is calculated. If EPA gets its way, the Volt’s mileage would end up around 50 mpg measured like a conventional hybrid, rather than a range-extended vehicle. The Volt would get NO credit for the stored electricity in its batteries and the fact that it runs without gasoline for the first 40 miles or so. No good deed goes unpunished by the Gov’t.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  227. Frankie-King-Doggy-
    Yeah, I guess my big issue is the blah-blah looks of the Volt. I quickly concede one man’s pitbull is another man’s beauty queen. Especially after the lipstick is applied.
    I marvel at the Volt engineering. 40 miles on a charge and then 50 mpg. I take my hat off to GM on this. (I am a guy who never really became proficient at woodworking, so my judgement on engineering accomplishments may be limited).
    My marketing instincts — and here I think we all are on a somewhat level playing field — is that the car will look blah, but cost like a car that should have sex appeal.
    Moreover, the goody-two-shoes who buy a car to make the environment better will always buy Hondas, Toyotas, or Swedish cars.
    So, who will but a blah-looking Volt for $40k?
    I don’t advocate hat it be priced like a Tesla. Maybe at $45k but red-hot looking. After all, the lease payment will not be the much higher, and offset by lower gasoline bills. That’s the sales pitch anyway.
    In the bigger picture, what matters is that the Volt works in engineering terms. If it does, we have a terrific future in front of us. Our oil consumption will go down every year, while our city air gets cleaner, and streets quieter.
    It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities. What gives anyone the right to pollute the air other people breath?
    And, as a matter of national security, I would think every Volt is worth two tanks and one fighter jet. But lots cheaper.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 18, 2008

  228. Frankie-King-Doggy-
    Yeah, I guess my big issue is the blah-blah looks of the Volt. I quickly concede one man’s pitbull is another man’s beauty queen. Especially after the lipstick is applied.
    I marvel at the Volt engineering. 40 miles on a charge and then 50 mpg. I take my hat off to GM on this. (I am a guy who never really became proficient at woodworking, so my judgement on engineering accomplishments may be limited).
    My marketing instincts — and here I think we all are on a somewhat level playing field — is that the car will look blah, but cost like a car that should have sex appeal.
    Moreover, the goody-two-shoes who buy a car to make the environment better will always buy Hondas, Toyotas, or Swedish cars.
    So, who will but a blah-looking Volt for $40k?
    I don’t advocate hat it be priced like a Tesla. Maybe at $45k but red-hot looking. After all, the lease payment will not be the much higher, and offset by lower gasoline bills. That’s the sales pitch anyway.
    In the bigger picture, what matters is that the Volt works in engineering terms. If it does, we have a terrific future in front of us. Our oil consumption will go down every year, while our city air gets cleaner, and streets quieter.
    It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities. What gives anyone the right to pollute the air other people breath?
    And, as a matter of national security, I would think every Volt is worth two tanks and one fighter jet. But lots cheaper.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 18, 2008

  229. Frankie-King-Doggy-
    Yeah, I guess my big issue is the blah-blah looks of the Volt. I quickly concede one man’s pitbull is another man’s beauty queen. Especially after the lipstick is applied.
    I marvel at the Volt engineering. 40 miles on a charge and then 50 mpg. I take my hat off to GM on this. (I am a guy who never really became proficient at woodworking, so my judgement on engineering accomplishments may be limited).
    My marketing instincts — and here I think we all are on a somewhat level playing field — is that the car will look blah, but cost like a car that should have sex appeal.
    Moreover, the goody-two-shoes who buy a car to make the environment better will always buy Hondas, Toyotas, or Swedish cars.
    So, who will but a blah-looking Volt for $40k?
    I don’t advocate hat it be priced like a Tesla. Maybe at $45k but red-hot looking. After all, the lease payment will not be the much higher, and offset by lower gasoline bills. That’s the sales pitch anyway.
    In the bigger picture, what matters is that the Volt works in engineering terms. If it does, we have a terrific future in front of us. Our oil consumption will go down every year, while our city air gets cleaner, and streets quieter.
    It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities. What gives anyone the right to pollute the air other people breath?
    And, as a matter of national security, I would think every Volt is worth two tanks and one fighter jet. But lots cheaper.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 18, 2008

  230. Frankie-King-Doggy-
    Yeah, I guess my big issue is the blah-blah looks of the Volt. I quickly concede one man’s pitbull is another man’s beauty queen. Especially after the lipstick is applied.
    I marvel at the Volt engineering. 40 miles on a charge and then 50 mpg. I take my hat off to GM on this. (I am a guy who never really became proficient at woodworking, so my judgement on engineering accomplishments may be limited).
    My marketing instincts — and here I think we all are on a somewhat level playing field — is that the car will look blah, but cost like a car that should have sex appeal.
    Moreover, the goody-two-shoes who buy a car to make the environment better will always buy Hondas, Toyotas, or Swedish cars.
    So, who will but a blah-looking Volt for $40k?
    I don’t advocate hat it be priced like a Tesla. Maybe at $45k but red-hot looking. After all, the lease payment will not be the much higher, and offset by lower gasoline bills. That’s the sales pitch anyway.
    In the bigger picture, what matters is that the Volt works in engineering terms. If it does, we have a terrific future in front of us. Our oil consumption will go down every year, while our city air gets cleaner, and streets quieter.
    It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities. What gives anyone the right to pollute the air other people breath?
    And, as a matter of national security, I would think every Volt is worth two tanks and one fighter jet. But lots cheaper.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 18, 2008

  231. Frankie-King-Doggy-
    Yeah, I guess my big issue is the blah-blah looks of the Volt. I quickly concede one man’s pitbull is another man’s beauty queen. Especially after the lipstick is applied.
    I marvel at the Volt engineering. 40 miles on a charge and then 50 mpg. I take my hat off to GM on this. (I am a guy who never really became proficient at woodworking, so my judgement on engineering accomplishments may be limited).
    My marketing instincts — and here I think we all are on a somewhat level playing field — is that the car will look blah, but cost like a car that should have sex appeal.
    Moreover, the goody-two-shoes who buy a car to make the environment better will always buy Hondas, Toyotas, or Swedish cars.
    So, who will but a blah-looking Volt for $40k?
    I don’t advocate hat it be priced like a Tesla. Maybe at $45k but red-hot looking. After all, the lease payment will not be the much higher, and offset by lower gasoline bills. That’s the sales pitch anyway.
    In the bigger picture, what matters is that the Volt works in engineering terms. If it does, we have a terrific future in front of us. Our oil consumption will go down every year, while our city air gets cleaner, and streets quieter.
    It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities. What gives anyone the right to pollute the air other people breath?
    And, as a matter of national security, I would think every Volt is worth two tanks and one fighter jet. But lots cheaper.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 18, 2008

  232. Frankie-King-Doggy-
    Yeah, I guess my big issue is the blah-blah looks of the Volt. I quickly concede one man’s pitbull is another man’s beauty queen. Especially after the lipstick is applied.
    I marvel at the Volt engineering. 40 miles on a charge and then 50 mpg. I take my hat off to GM on this. (I am a guy who never really became proficient at woodworking, so my judgement on engineering accomplishments may be limited).
    My marketing instincts — and here I think we all are on a somewhat level playing field — is that the car will look blah, but cost like a car that should have sex appeal.
    Moreover, the goody-two-shoes who buy a car to make the environment better will always buy Hondas, Toyotas, or Swedish cars.
    So, who will but a blah-looking Volt for $40k?
    I don’t advocate hat it be priced like a Tesla. Maybe at $45k but red-hot looking. After all, the lease payment will not be the much higher, and offset by lower gasoline bills. That’s the sales pitch anyway.
    In the bigger picture, what matters is that the Volt works in engineering terms. If it does, we have a terrific future in front of us. Our oil consumption will go down every year, while our city air gets cleaner, and streets quieter.
    It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities. What gives anyone the right to pollute the air other people breath?
    And, as a matter of national security, I would think every Volt is worth two tanks and one fighter jet. But lots cheaper.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 18, 2008

  233. Frankie-King-Doggy-
    Yeah, I guess my big issue is the blah-blah looks of the Volt. I quickly concede one man’s pitbull is another man’s beauty queen. Especially after the lipstick is applied.
    I marvel at the Volt engineering. 40 miles on a charge and then 50 mpg. I take my hat off to GM on this. (I am a guy who never really became proficient at woodworking, so my judgement on engineering accomplishments may be limited).
    My marketing instincts — and here I think we all are on a somewhat level playing field — is that the car will look blah, but cost like a car that should have sex appeal.
    Moreover, the goody-two-shoes who buy a car to make the environment better will always buy Hondas, Toyotas, or Swedish cars.
    So, who will but a blah-looking Volt for $40k?
    I don’t advocate hat it be priced like a Tesla. Maybe at $45k but red-hot looking. After all, the lease payment will not be the much higher, and offset by lower gasoline bills. That’s the sales pitch anyway.
    In the bigger picture, what matters is that the Volt works in engineering terms. If it does, we have a terrific future in front of us. Our oil consumption will go down every year, while our city air gets cleaner, and streets quieter.
    It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities. What gives anyone the right to pollute the air other people breath?
    And, as a matter of national security, I would think every Volt is worth two tanks and one fighter jet. But lots cheaper.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 18, 2008

  234. Frankie-King-Doggy-Yeah, I guess my big issue is the blah-blah looks of the Volt. I quickly concede one man’s pitbull is another man’s beauty queen. Especially after the lipstick is applied.I marvel at the Volt engineering. 40 miles on a charge and then 50 mpg. I take my hat off to GM on this. (I am a guy who never really became proficient at woodworking, so my judgement on engineering accomplishments may be limited).My marketing instincts — and here I think we all are on a somewhat level playing field — is that the car will look blah, but cost like a car that should have sex appeal. Moreover, the goody-two-shoes who buy a car to make the environment better will always buy Hondas, Toyotas, or Swedish cars. So, who will but a blah-looking Volt for $40k?I don’t advocate hat it be priced like a Tesla. Maybe at $45k but red-hot looking. After all, the lease payment will not be the much higher, and offset by lower gasoline bills. That’s the sales pitch anyway. In the bigger picture, what matters is that the Volt works in engineering terms. If it does, we have a terrific future in front of us. Our oil consumption will go down every year, while our city air gets cleaner, and streets quieter. It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities. What gives anyone the right to pollute the air other people breath? And, as a matter of national security, I would think every Volt is worth two tanks and one fighter jet. But lots cheaper.

    Comment by benny "peak demand" cole | September 18, 2008

  235. “It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities”

    We could ban them from car lots today Benny. Electric cars dominated American roads 100 years ago. And that was before voltage and outlets were standardized. I could get behind a ban on internal combustion engines. Yeah,it’s big government regulation,BUT its better than being caught with our pants down when the shiite hits the fan. All it takes is a storm,or a coup,or peak oil to bring everything to a halt as things stand. And our politicians yap on…

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  236. “It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities”

    We could ban them from car lots today Benny. Electric cars dominated American roads 100 years ago. And that was before voltage and outlets were standardized. I could get behind a ban on internal combustion engines. Yeah,it’s big government regulation,BUT its better than being caught with our pants down when the shiite hits the fan. All it takes is a storm,or a coup,or peak oil to bring everything to a halt as things stand. And our politicians yap on…

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  237. “It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities”

    We could ban them from car lots today Benny. Electric cars dominated American roads 100 years ago. And that was before voltage and outlets were standardized. I could get behind a ban on internal combustion engines. Yeah,it’s big government regulation,BUT its better than being caught with our pants down when the shiite hits the fan. All it takes is a storm,or a coup,or peak oil to bring everything to a halt as things stand. And our politicians yap on…

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  238. “It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities”

    We could ban them from car lots today Benny. Electric cars dominated American roads 100 years ago. And that was before voltage and outlets were standardized. I could get behind a ban on internal combustion engines. Yeah,it’s big government regulation,BUT its better than being caught with our pants down when the shiite hits the fan. All it takes is a storm,or a coup,or peak oil to bring everything to a halt as things stand. And our politicians yap on…

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  239. “It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities”

    We could ban them from car lots today Benny. Electric cars dominated American roads 100 years ago. And that was before voltage and outlets were standardized. I could get behind a ban on internal combustion engines. Yeah,it’s big government regulation,BUT its better than being caught with our pants down when the shiite hits the fan. All it takes is a storm,or a coup,or peak oil to bring everything to a halt as things stand. And our politicians yap on…

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  240. “It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities”

    We could ban them from car lots today Benny. Electric cars dominated American roads 100 years ago. And that was before voltage and outlets were standardized. I could get behind a ban on internal combustion engines. Yeah,it’s big government regulation,BUT its better than being caught with our pants down when the shiite hits the fan. All it takes is a storm,or a coup,or peak oil to bring everything to a halt as things stand. And our politicians yap on…

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  241. “It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities”

    We could ban them from car lots today Benny. Electric cars dominated American roads 100 years ago. And that was before voltage and outlets were standardized. I could get behind a ban on internal combustion engines. Yeah,it’s big government regulation,BUT its better than being caught with our pants down when the shiite hits the fan. All it takes is a storm,or a coup,or peak oil to bring everything to a halt as things stand. And our politicians yap on…

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  242. “It would not surprise me if in 30 years ICE’s were banned fom central cities”We could ban them from car lots today Benny. Electric cars dominated American roads 100 years ago. And that was before voltage and outlets were standardized. I could get behind a ban on internal combustion engines. Yeah,it’s big government regulation,BUT its better than being caught with our pants down when the shiite hits the fan. All it takes is a storm,or a coup,or peak oil to bring everything to a halt as things stand. And our politicians yap on…

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  243. Suppose Congress decided to ban everything but PHEV’s and ELEV’s from new car lots beginning 2011. The used car market could cater to people that wanted to hug their ICE’s a bit longer. That would give automakers a couple of decades to extend battery life.

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  244. Suppose Congress decided to ban everything but PHEV’s and ELEV’s from new car lots beginning 2011. The used car market could cater to people that wanted to hug their ICE’s a bit longer. That would give automakers a couple of decades to extend battery life.

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  245. Suppose Congress decided to ban everything but PHEV’s and ELEV’s from new car lots beginning 2011. The used car market could cater to people that wanted to hug their ICE’s a bit longer. That would give automakers a couple of decades to extend battery life.

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  246. Suppose Congress decided to ban everything but PHEV’s and ELEV’s from new car lots beginning 2011. The used car market could cater to people that wanted to hug their ICE’s a bit longer. That would give automakers a couple of decades to extend battery life.

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  247. Suppose Congress decided to ban everything but PHEV’s and ELEV’s from new car lots beginning 2011. The used car market could cater to people that wanted to hug their ICE’s a bit longer. That would give automakers a couple of decades to extend battery life.

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  248. Suppose Congress decided to ban everything but PHEV’s and ELEV’s from new car lots beginning 2011. The used car market could cater to people that wanted to hug their ICE’s a bit longer. That would give automakers a couple of decades to extend battery life.

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  249. Suppose Congress decided to ban everything but PHEV’s and ELEV’s from new car lots beginning 2011. The used car market could cater to people that wanted to hug their ICE’s a bit longer. That would give automakers a couple of decades to extend battery life.

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  250. Suppose Congress decided to ban everything but PHEV’s and ELEV’s from new car lots beginning 2011. The used car market could cater to people that wanted to hug their ICE’s a bit longer. That would give automakers a couple of decades to extend battery life.

    Comment by Maury | September 18, 2008

  251. That is actually a pretty brilliant idea. Why not ban all ICEs from new car lots by 2012. Even if we still only have the 40 mile per charge Volt, it would force people to either relocate or become more energy minded with what they have. GM, Toyota and virtually every other car maker would have to put forth all of their time and effort into the EV, rather than a more fuel efficient ICE.

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  252. That is actually a pretty brilliant idea. Why not ban all ICEs from new car lots by 2012. Even if we still only have the 40 mile per charge Volt, it would force people to either relocate or become more energy minded with what they have. GM, Toyota and virtually every other car maker would have to put forth all of their time and effort into the EV, rather than a more fuel efficient ICE.

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  253. That is actually a pretty brilliant idea. Why not ban all ICEs from new car lots by 2012. Even if we still only have the 40 mile per charge Volt, it would force people to either relocate or become more energy minded with what they have. GM, Toyota and virtually every other car maker would have to put forth all of their time and effort into the EV, rather than a more fuel efficient ICE.

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  254. That is actually a pretty brilliant idea. Why not ban all ICEs from new car lots by 2012. Even if we still only have the 40 mile per charge Volt, it would force people to either relocate or become more energy minded with what they have. GM, Toyota and virtually every other car maker would have to put forth all of their time and effort into the EV, rather than a more fuel efficient ICE.

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  255. That is actually a pretty brilliant idea. Why not ban all ICEs from new car lots by 2012. Even if we still only have the 40 mile per charge Volt, it would force people to either relocate or become more energy minded with what they have. GM, Toyota and virtually every other car maker would have to put forth all of their time and effort into the EV, rather than a more fuel efficient ICE.

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  256. That is actually a pretty brilliant idea. Why not ban all ICEs from new car lots by 2012. Even if we still only have the 40 mile per charge Volt, it would force people to either relocate or become more energy minded with what they have. GM, Toyota and virtually every other car maker would have to put forth all of their time and effort into the EV, rather than a more fuel efficient ICE.

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  257. That is actually a pretty brilliant idea. Why not ban all ICEs from new car lots by 2012. Even if we still only have the 40 mile per charge Volt, it would force people to either relocate or become more energy minded with what they have. GM, Toyota and virtually every other car maker would have to put forth all of their time and effort into the EV, rather than a more fuel efficient ICE.

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  258. That is actually a pretty brilliant idea. Why not ban all ICEs from new car lots by 2012. Even if we still only have the 40 mile per charge Volt, it would force people to either relocate or become more energy minded with what they have. GM, Toyota and virtually every other car maker would have to put forth all of their time and effort into the EV, rather than a more fuel efficient ICE.

    Comment by Frankie | September 18, 2008

  259. I have an idea. The Volt has an ICE/alternator. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator. I bet such a feature would be really popular in Houston about now!

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  260. I have an idea. The Volt has an ICE/alternator. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator. I bet such a feature would be really popular in Houston about now!

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  261. I have an idea. The Volt has an ICE/alternator. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator. I bet such a feature would be really popular in Houston about now!

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  262. I have an idea. The Volt has an ICE/alternator. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator. I bet such a feature would be really popular in Houston about now!

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  263. I have an idea. The Volt has an ICE/alternator. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator. I bet such a feature would be really popular in Houston about now!

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  264. I have an idea. The Volt has an ICE/alternator. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator. I bet such a feature would be really popular in Houston about now!

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  265. I have an idea. The Volt has an ICE/alternator. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator. I bet such a feature would be really popular in Houston about now!

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  266. I have an idea. The Volt has an ICE/alternator. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator. I bet such a feature would be really popular in Houston about now!

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 18, 2008

  267. kingofkay,I’ve got a 110 outlet in the Oddysey. Unfortunately,it’s only 1000 watts. Still,it’ll handle a dozen 60 watt bulbs,or even a low-power hair dryer,LOL. I actually ran a cord into the house after Katrina. It was that or make a 150 mi. round trip for fuel for the generator.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  268. kingofkay,I’ve got a 110 outlet in the Oddysey. Unfortunately,it’s only 1000 watts. Still,it’ll handle a dozen 60 watt bulbs,or even a low-power hair dryer,LOL. I actually ran a cord into the house after Katrina. It was that or make a 150 mi. round trip for fuel for the generator.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  269. kingofkay,I’ve got a 110 outlet in the Oddysey. Unfortunately,it’s only 1000 watts. Still,it’ll handle a dozen 60 watt bulbs,or even a low-power hair dryer,LOL. I actually ran a cord into the house after Katrina. It was that or make a 150 mi. round trip for fuel for the generator.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  270. kingofkay,I’ve got a 110 outlet in the Oddysey. Unfortunately,it’s only 1000 watts. Still,it’ll handle a dozen 60 watt bulbs,or even a low-power hair dryer,LOL. I actually ran a cord into the house after Katrina. It was that or make a 150 mi. round trip for fuel for the generator.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  271. kingofkay,I’ve got a 110 outlet in the Oddysey. Unfortunately,it’s only 1000 watts. Still,it’ll handle a dozen 60 watt bulbs,or even a low-power hair dryer,LOL. I actually ran a cord into the house after Katrina. It was that or make a 150 mi. round trip for fuel for the generator.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  272. kingofkay,I’ve got a 110 outlet in the Oddysey. Unfortunately,it’s only 1000 watts. Still,it’ll handle a dozen 60 watt bulbs,or even a low-power hair dryer,LOL. I actually ran a cord into the house after Katrina. It was that or make a 150 mi. round trip for fuel for the generator.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  273. kingofkay,I’ve got a 110 outlet in the Oddysey. Unfortunately,it’s only 1000 watts. Still,it’ll handle a dozen 60 watt bulbs,or even a low-power hair dryer,LOL. I actually ran a cord into the house after Katrina. It was that or make a 150 mi. round trip for fuel for the generator.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  274. kingofkay,I’ve got a 110 outlet in the Oddysey. Unfortunately,it’s only 1000 watts. Still,it’ll handle a dozen 60 watt bulbs,or even a low-power hair dryer,LOL. I actually ran a cord into the house after Katrina. It was that or make a 150 mi. round trip for fuel for the generator.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  275. Frankie, Nissan says they’ll have an electric car for sale in 2012. The Prius PHEV should be ready by then also. Toyota,GM,Ford,BYD Auto,Fisker Automotive,Aptera Motors,and Volkswagen all claim a PHEV is on the way. Honda would have something to sell if NG vehicles were allowed. Right now,they won’t sell the Civic GX outside of California and New York. For that matter,any gasoline or diesel engine can be converted to run on NG,so dealer lots wouldn’t necessarily have to look much different in 2012. It’d be nice if the next President would reach down and find some balls…but I won’t get my hopes up.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  276. Frankie, Nissan says they’ll have an electric car for sale in 2012. The Prius PHEV should be ready by then also. Toyota,GM,Ford,BYD Auto,Fisker Automotive,Aptera Motors,and Volkswagen all claim a PHEV is on the way. Honda would have something to sell if NG vehicles were allowed. Right now,they won’t sell the Civic GX outside of California and New York. For that matter,any gasoline or diesel engine can be converted to run on NG,so dealer lots wouldn’t necessarily have to look much different in 2012. It’d be nice if the next President would reach down and find some balls…but I won’t get my hopes up.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  277. Frankie, Nissan says they’ll have an electric car for sale in 2012. The Prius PHEV should be ready by then also. Toyota,GM,Ford,BYD Auto,Fisker Automotive,Aptera Motors,and Volkswagen all claim a PHEV is on the way. Honda would have something to sell if NG vehicles were allowed. Right now,they won’t sell the Civic GX outside of California and New York. For that matter,any gasoline or diesel engine can be converted to run on NG,so dealer lots wouldn’t necessarily have to look much different in 2012. It’d be nice if the next President would reach down and find some balls…but I won’t get my hopes up.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  278. Frankie, Nissan says they’ll have an electric car for sale in 2012. The Prius PHEV should be ready by then also. Toyota,GM,Ford,BYD Auto,Fisker Automotive,Aptera Motors,and Volkswagen all claim a PHEV is on the way. Honda would have something to sell if NG vehicles were allowed. Right now,they won’t sell the Civic GX outside of California and New York. For that matter,any gasoline or diesel engine can be converted to run on NG,so dealer lots wouldn’t necessarily have to look much different in 2012. It’d be nice if the next President would reach down and find some balls…but I won’t get my hopes up.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  279. Frankie, Nissan says they’ll have an electric car for sale in 2012. The Prius PHEV should be ready by then also. Toyota,GM,Ford,BYD Auto,Fisker Automotive,Aptera Motors,and Volkswagen all claim a PHEV is on the way. Honda would have something to sell if NG vehicles were allowed. Right now,they won’t sell the Civic GX outside of California and New York. For that matter,any gasoline or diesel engine can be converted to run on NG,so dealer lots wouldn’t necessarily have to look much different in 2012. It’d be nice if the next President would reach down and find some balls…but I won’t get my hopes up.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  280. Frankie, Nissan says they’ll have an electric car for sale in 2012. The Prius PHEV should be ready by then also. Toyota,GM,Ford,BYD Auto,Fisker Automotive,Aptera Motors,and Volkswagen all claim a PHEV is on the way. Honda would have something to sell if NG vehicles were allowed. Right now,they won’t sell the Civic GX outside of California and New York. For that matter,any gasoline or diesel engine can be converted to run on NG,so dealer lots wouldn’t necessarily have to look much different in 2012. It’d be nice if the next President would reach down and find some balls…but I won’t get my hopes up.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  281. Frankie, Nissan says they’ll have an electric car for sale in 2012. The Prius PHEV should be ready by then also. Toyota,GM,Ford,BYD Auto,Fisker Automotive,Aptera Motors,and Volkswagen all claim a PHEV is on the way. Honda would have something to sell if NG vehicles were allowed. Right now,they won’t sell the Civic GX outside of California and New York. For that matter,any gasoline or diesel engine can be converted to run on NG,so dealer lots wouldn’t necessarily have to look much different in 2012. It’d be nice if the next President would reach down and find some balls…but I won’t get my hopes up.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  282. Frankie, Nissan says they’ll have an electric car for sale in 2012. The Prius PHEV should be ready by then also. Toyota,GM,Ford,BYD Auto,Fisker Automotive,Aptera Motors,and Volkswagen all claim a PHEV is on the way. Honda would have something to sell if NG vehicles were allowed. Right now,they won’t sell the Civic GX outside of California and New York. For that matter,any gasoline or diesel engine can be converted to run on NG,so dealer lots wouldn’t necessarily have to look much different in 2012. It’d be nice if the next President would reach down and find some balls…but I won’t get my hopes up.

    Comment by Maury | September 19, 2008

  283. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator.

    This is an extremely popular idea on every Prius board I visit. I don’t get it. Why use a $25-35k car to replace a $500 generator? And what happens to the food in your fridge when you need to go somewhere?

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 19, 2008

  284. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator.

    This is an extremely popular idea on every Prius board I visit. I don’t get it. Why use a $25-35k car to replace a $500 generator? And what happens to the food in your fridge when you need to go somewhere?

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 19, 2008

  285. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator.

    This is an extremely popular idea on every Prius board I visit. I don’t get it. Why use a $25-35k car to replace a $500 generator? And what happens to the food in your fridge when you need to go somewhere?

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 19, 2008

  286. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator.

    This is an extremely popular idea on every Prius board I visit. I don’t get it. Why use a $25-35k car to replace a $500 generator? And what happens to the food in your fridge when you need to go somewhere?

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 19, 2008

  287. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator.

    This is an extremely popular idea on every Prius board I visit. I don’t get it. Why use a $25-35k car to replace a $500 generator? And what happens to the food in your fridge when you need to go somewhere?

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 19, 2008

  288. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator.

    This is an extremely popular idea on every Prius board I visit. I don’t get it. Why use a $25-35k car to replace a $500 generator? And what happens to the food in your fridge when you need to go somewhere?

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 19, 2008

  289. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator.

    This is an extremely popular idea on every Prius board I visit. I don’t get it. Why use a $25-35k car to replace a $500 generator? And what happens to the food in your fridge when you need to go somewhere?

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 19, 2008

  290. Provide an optional inverter you could hook into the Volt so that it could provide 120/240 V AC power to act like a portable generator.This is an extremely popular idea on every Prius board I visit. I don’t get it. Why use a $25-35k car to replace a $500 generator? And what happens to the food in your fridge when you need to go somewhere?

    Comment by doggydogworld | September 19, 2008

  291. Doggy – You haven’t been without power for very long then. In the case of Hurricane Ike, we all had a curfew after the hurricane passed, so nobody could go anywhere anyway. And even if you could, nothing was open for 2-3 days. So NOT having a car wasn’t as big a deal. We got around on our bicycles. Add to that you want to conserve gas as much as possible, so you don’t drive very much.

    Besides, we have more than 1 car. Not to mention that if I’m driving in my car I can’t be watching TV or sitting in front of an electric fan in my house. Thus why would i need to generate power while I’m driving?

    We ended up using a power inverter hooked to the car to watch TV. we were limited by the wattage on the inverter (300 W). You don’t need to have power 24/7. If you could run a couple of appliances, that would be enough. As long as you don’t open the door often, you can conserve the cold in a refrigerator or freezer by running it for a few hours a day.

    A water-cooled generator (like the one in the Volt) is more efficient than an air-cooled engine. A comparibly sized generator would run you much more than $500. It would be a nice feature that wouldn’t cost much to implement.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 20, 2008

  292. Doggy – You haven’t been without power for very long then. In the case of Hurricane Ike, we all had a curfew after the hurricane passed, so nobody could go anywhere anyway. And even if you could, nothing was open for 2-3 days. So NOT having a car wasn’t as big a deal. We got around on our bicycles. Add to that you want to conserve gas as much as possible, so you don’t drive very much.

    Besides, we have more than 1 car. Not to mention that if I’m driving in my car I can’t be watching TV or sitting in front of an electric fan in my house. Thus why would i need to generate power while I’m driving?

    We ended up using a power inverter hooked to the car to watch TV. we were limited by the wattage on the inverter (300 W). You don’t need to have power 24/7. If you could run a couple of appliances, that would be enough. As long as you don’t open the door often, you can conserve the cold in a refrigerator or freezer by running it for a few hours a day.

    A water-cooled generator (like the one in the Volt) is more efficient than an air-cooled engine. A comparibly sized generator would run you much more than $500. It would be a nice feature that wouldn’t cost much to implement.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 20, 2008

  293. Doggy – You haven’t been without power for very long then. In the case of Hurricane Ike, we all had a curfew after the hurricane passed, so nobody could go anywhere anyway. And even if you could, nothing was open for 2-3 days. So NOT having a car wasn’t as big a deal. We got around on our bicycles. Add to that you want to conserve gas as much as possible, so you don’t drive very much.

    Besides, we have more than 1 car. Not to mention that if I’m driving in my car I can’t be watching TV or sitting in front of an electric fan in my house. Thus why would i need to generate power while I’m driving?

    We ended up using a power inverter hooked to the car to watch TV. we were limited by the wattage on the inverter (300 W). You don’t need to have power 24/7. If you could run a couple of appliances, that would be enough. As long as you don’t open the door often, you can conserve the cold in a refrigerator or freezer by running it for a few hours a day.

    A water-cooled generator (like the one in the Volt) is more efficient than an air-cooled engine. A comparibly sized generator would run you much more than $500. It would be a nice feature that wouldn’t cost much to implement.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 20, 2008

  294. Doggy – You haven’t been without power for very long then. In the case of Hurricane Ike, we all had a curfew after the hurricane passed, so nobody could go anywhere anyway. And even if you could, nothing was open for 2-3 days. So NOT having a car wasn’t as big a deal. We got around on our bicycles. Add to that you want to conserve gas as much as possible, so you don’t drive very much.

    Besides, we have more than 1 car. Not to mention that if I’m driving in my car I can’t be watching TV or sitting in front of an electric fan in my house. Thus why would i need to generate power while I’m driving?

    We ended up using a power inverter hooked to the car to watch TV. we were limited by the wattage on the inverter (300 W). You don’t need to have power 24/7. If you could run a couple of appliances, that would be enough. As long as you don’t open the door often, you can conserve the cold in a refrigerator or freezer by running it for a few hours a day.

    A water-cooled generator (like the one in the Volt) is more efficient than an air-cooled engine. A comparibly sized generator would run you much more than $500. It would be a nice feature that wouldn’t cost much to implement.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 20, 2008

  295. Doggy – You haven’t been without power for very long then. In the case of Hurricane Ike, we all had a curfew after the hurricane passed, so nobody could go anywhere anyway. And even if you could, nothing was open for 2-3 days. So NOT having a car wasn’t as big a deal. We got around on our bicycles. Add to that you want to conserve gas as much as possible, so you don’t drive very much.

    Besides, we have more than 1 car. Not to mention that if I’m driving in my car I can’t be watching TV or sitting in front of an electric fan in my house. Thus why would i need to generate power while I’m driving?

    We ended up using a power inverter hooked to the car to watch TV. we were limited by the wattage on the inverter (300 W). You don’t need to have power 24/7. If you could run a couple of appliances, that would be enough. As long as you don’t open the door often, you can conserve the cold in a refrigerator or freezer by running it for a few hours a day.

    A water-cooled generator (like the one in the Volt) is more efficient than an air-cooled engine. A comparibly sized generator would run you much more than $500. It would be a nice feature that wouldn’t cost much to implement.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 20, 2008

  296. Doggy – You haven’t been without power for very long then. In the case of Hurricane Ike, we all had a curfew after the hurricane passed, so nobody could go anywhere anyway. And even if you could, nothing was open for 2-3 days. So NOT having a car wasn’t as big a deal. We got around on our bicycles. Add to that you want to conserve gas as much as possible, so you don’t drive very much.

    Besides, we have more than 1 car. Not to mention that if I’m driving in my car I can’t be watching TV or sitting in front of an electric fan in my house. Thus why would i need to generate power while I’m driving?

    We ended up using a power inverter hooked to the car to watch TV. we were limited by the wattage on the inverter (300 W). You don’t need to have power 24/7. If you could run a couple of appliances, that would be enough. As long as you don’t open the door often, you can conserve the cold in a refrigerator or freezer by running it for a few hours a day.

    A water-cooled generator (like the one in the Volt) is more efficient than an air-cooled engine. A comparibly sized generator would run you much more than $500. It would be a nice feature that wouldn’t cost much to implement.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 20, 2008

  297. Doggy – You haven’t been without power for very long then. In the case of Hurricane Ike, we all had a curfew after the hurricane passed, so nobody could go anywhere anyway. And even if you could, nothing was open for 2-3 days. So NOT having a car wasn’t as big a deal. We got around on our bicycles. Add to that you want to conserve gas as much as possible, so you don’t drive very much.

    Besides, we have more than 1 car. Not to mention that if I’m driving in my car I can’t be watching TV or sitting in front of an electric fan in my house. Thus why would i need to generate power while I’m driving?

    We ended up using a power inverter hooked to the car to watch TV. we were limited by the wattage on the inverter (300 W). You don’t need to have power 24/7. If you could run a couple of appliances, that would be enough. As long as you don’t open the door often, you can conserve the cold in a refrigerator or freezer by running it for a few hours a day.

    A water-cooled generator (like the one in the Volt) is more efficient than an air-cooled engine. A comparibly sized generator would run you much more than $500. It would be a nice feature that wouldn’t cost much to implement.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 20, 2008

  298. Doggy – You haven’t been without power for very long then. In the case of Hurricane Ike, we all had a curfew after the hurricane passed, so nobody could go anywhere anyway. And even if you could, nothing was open for 2-3 days. So NOT having a car wasn’t as big a deal. We got around on our bicycles. Add to that you want to conserve gas as much as possible, so you don’t drive very much. Besides, we have more than 1 car. Not to mention that if I’m driving in my car I can’t be watching TV or sitting in front of an electric fan in my house. Thus why would i need to generate power while I’m driving?We ended up using a power inverter hooked to the car to watch TV. we were limited by the wattage on the inverter (300 W). You don’t need to have power 24/7. If you could run a couple of appliances, that would be enough. As long as you don’t open the door often, you can conserve the cold in a refrigerator or freezer by running it for a few hours a day. A water-cooled generator (like the one in the Volt) is more efficient than an air-cooled engine. A comparibly sized generator would run you much more than $500. It would be a nice feature that wouldn’t cost much to implement.

    Comment by KingofKaty | September 20, 2008


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